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From: jos poortvliet <jos@mijnkamer.nl>
To: ck@vds.kolivas.org
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:50:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703181150.40059.jos@mijnkamer.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200703122352.51257.kernel@kolivas.org>

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Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas:
> On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote:
> > Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote:
> > > > Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each
> > > > > > rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher
> > > > > > priority task is getting a look in in schedule() to even get
> > > > > > quota and add it to the runqueue quota. I'll try a simple change
> > > > > > to see if that helps. Patch coming up shortly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you try the following patch and see if it helps. There's also
> > > > > one minor preemption logic fix in there that I'm planning on
> > > > > including. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Applied on top of v0.28 mainline, and there is no difference.
> > > >
> > > > What's it look like on your machine?
> > >
> > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one
> > > runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount.
> > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets
> > > precisely RR_INTERVAL maximum latency whereas the lower priority task
> > > gets RR_INTERVAL min and full expiration (according to the virtual
> > > deadline) as a maximum. That's exactly how I intend it to work. Yes I
> > > realise that the max latency ends up being longer intermittently on the
> > > niced task but that's -in my opinion- perfectly fine as a compromise to
> > > ensure the nice 0 one always gets low latency.
> >
> > I think, it should be possible to spread this max expiration latency
> > across the rotation, should it not?
>
> There is a way that I toyed with of creating maps of slots to use for each
> different priority, but it broke the O(1) nature of the virtual deadline
> management. Minimising algorithmic complexity seemed more important to
> maintain than getting slightly better latency spreads for niced tasks. It
> also appeared to be less cache friendly in design. I could certainly try
> and implement it but how much importance are we to place on latency of
> niced tasks? Are you aware of any usage scenario where latency sensitive
> tasks are ever significantly niced in the real world?

I do always nice down heavy games, it makes them more smooth...

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Disclaimer:

Alles wat ik doe denk en zeg is gebaseerd op het wereldbeeld wat ik nu heb. 
Ik ben niet verantwoordelijk voor wijzigingen van de wereld, of het beeld wat 
ik daarvan heb, noch voor de daaruit voortvloeiende gedragingen van mezelf. 
Alles wat ik zeg is aardig bedoeld, tenzij expliciet vermeld.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-18 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-04 20:35 [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler Al Boldi
2007-03-04 21:49 ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]   ` <45EB45F7.3050208@simon.arlott.org.uk>
2007-03-04 22:27     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05 18:29       ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-05 21:36         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 23:13   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-04 23:58     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05  0:10     ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-05  1:09     ` Gene Heskett
     [not found] ` <200703050834.45712.a1426z@gawab.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070305060732.GQ30401@nysv.org>
2007-03-05 11:59     ` [ck] " Al Boldi
2007-03-05 12:29       ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]         ` <200703052123.01095.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-03-05 22:10           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-06  8:42             ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-06 15:15               ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 18:11                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 21:52                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-11 22:12                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  4:42                       ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12  4:53                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 11:26                           ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 12:52                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 14:14                               ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 14:58                                 ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 16:37                                   ` michael chang
2007-03-12 17:41                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 18:05                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 18:47                                   ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 18:58                                     ` Antonio Vargas
2007-03-19 10:47                                       ` Helge Hafting
2007-03-18  1:30                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18 10:50                               ` jos poortvliet [this message]
2007-03-13 15:31                             ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 16:03                               ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice -1 Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 16:08                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 20:58                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 23:08                                   ` RSDL development plans Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 12:25                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 13:40                                       ` RSDL v0.31 Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 15:34                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 21:13                                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 22:30                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 23:05                                               ` [ck] " Dirk Schoebel
2007-03-17  4:24                                               ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  5:56                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  6:08                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 13:56                                                     ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-18 19:37                                                     ` Lee Revell
2007-03-18 19:55                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18 22:45                                                       ` Szonyi Calin
2007-03-19  2:27                                                     ` David Schwartz
2007-03-19  6:21                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-19  6:59                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-17  6:26                                                   ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  7:11                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  7:25                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-17  7:29                                                         ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17 11:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17  7:45                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17  7:44                                                       ` David Lang
2007-03-17  8:46                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 14:09                                                           ` [ck] " Mark Glines
2007-03-17 14:33                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 14:54                                                               ` Mark Glines
2007-03-17 14:58                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  8:23                                                       ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  9:42                                                         ` [patch] CFS scheduler: Completely Fair Scheduler / CONFIG_SCHED_FAIR Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17  8:41                                                       ` RSDL v0.31 Serge Belyshev
2007-03-17  9:48                                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  9:58                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 10:49                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 12:05                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 13:36                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 17:03                                                                   ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 17:37                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 18:23                                                                       ` [ck] " Kacper Wysocki
2007-03-17 18:45                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 13:58                                                             ` michael chang
2007-03-17 20:55                                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-18  6:17                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  6:47                                                                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18  7:08                                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  7:22                                                                     ` [ck] " Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18  7:38                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  8:04                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  8:20                                                                         ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-03-18  8:34                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  9:57                                                                         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18 13:57                                                                           ` Avuton Olrich
2007-03-19 20:47                                                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-20 10:19                                                                             ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-21  8:58                                                                             ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18 15:44                                                                         ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18 16:09                                                                           ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-19 16:07                                                               ` Mark Lord
2007-03-19 16:26                                                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-19 16:36                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-19 16:43                                                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-20  3:11                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20  6:11                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-20  8:03                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-21 14:57                                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-21 16:02                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-21 17:06                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  7:07                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  9:18                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-22  9:34                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  9:41                                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22 22:03                                                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-22 22:50                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-23  4:39                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-23  5:59                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-23  6:11                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-23 12:17                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20070321161147.54c7a727@localhost>
2007-03-21 17:07                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  4:49                                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-22  7:14                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-20  9:03                                                                           ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-20 12:31                                                                             ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-20 19:16                                                                               ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-21  7:50                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-21 10:43                                                                               ` David Schwartz
2007-03-28 23:37                                                                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-29  7:10                                                                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-03-29  7:34                                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-20 15:31                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 18:08                                                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-21  8:22                                                                             ` Keith Duthie
2007-03-28 23:43                                                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-20 10:26                                                                         ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-20 13:22                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2007-03-20 15:16                                                                           ` Ray Lee
2007-03-20 15:20                                                                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-21  8:55                                                                             ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-19 20:53                                                                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-20 19:50                                                                   ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-21  4:15                                                                     ` Al Boldi
2007-03-21 17:24                                                                       ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-19 16:03                                                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-17 11:49                                                           ` is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too? Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 12:02                                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17 12:23                                                               ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 17:31                                                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-03-17 12:28                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 12:43                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17 16:34                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-18  3:23                                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  2:13                                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  3:20                                                                     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18  5:37                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18 10:58                                                                       ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 12:15                                                             ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 20:41                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  1:25                                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-18  1:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-18  5:24                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-18  5:55                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-19  2:27                                                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-03-19 13:27                                                                         ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-19 18:30                                                                           ` David Lang
2007-03-19 15:25                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-19 16:06                                                                           ` Helge Hafting
2007-03-19 16:37                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  6:09                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2007-03-18  6:37                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  7:35                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2007-03-19 21:14                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  6:26                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  6:54                                                                       ` [ck] " Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18  7:58                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-18  8:45                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  5:00                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-17 15:13                                                           ` RSDL v0.31 Mark Hahn
2007-03-17 17:22                                                             ` Stephen Clark
2007-03-19 15:06                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-17  7:56                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 11:07                                                       ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 12:44                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 13:44                                                           ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 14:04                                                         ` [ck] " Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-17 14:32                                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-17 14:43                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 15:39                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:12                                         ` AshMilsted
2007-03-16 17:41                                           ` Gabriel C
2007-03-16 21:55                                         ` Al Boldi
2007-03-17  2:51                                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  4:40                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-17  4:57                                               ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  5:15                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 13:50                                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-17 16:12                                                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-16 13:42                                       ` RSDL development plans Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 13:59                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 14:07                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-14  9:13                               ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice Mike Galbraith
2007-03-14  9:25                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-14  9:42                                   ` Mike Galbraith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-04  7:00 [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 13:49 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 14:36   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-04 16:08     ` [ck] " jos poortvliet

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