From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752129AbXCSTJS (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:09:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751917AbXCSTJS (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:09:18 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:49314 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751923AbXCSTJQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:09:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:08:07 -0700 From: Pete Zaitcev To: jg@laptop.org Cc: zaitcev@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: BSOD (was: [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions) Message-Id: <20070319120807.af36ef5d.zaitcev@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <1174236045.6832.9.camel@localhost> References: <20070305015034.GG3441@stusta.de> <20070308123143.GF5149@mellanox.co.il> <20070308192554.GA2999@elte.hu> <20070308230705.GA4611@elte.hu> <20070309111957.GA3928@elf.ucw.cz> <20070318160707.GC12673@elte.hu> <1174236045.6832.9.camel@localhost> Organization: Red Hat, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:40:45 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > Also more seriously, a somewhat hybrid approach is in order for mode > setting: simple mode setting isn't much code and is required for sane > behavior on crash (it is nice to get oopses onto a screen); but the full > blown mode setting/configuration problem is so large that on some > hardware, it is likely left best left to a helper process (not the X > server). Jim, I doubt that a mode switch on oops is a good idea. Maybe I'm unlucky, but in my experience, it often is the case that systems fail to switch to text mode for shutdown. What is amazing, the very same systems switch to text mode on F1 just fine, and then back to F7! I would hazard a guess that this happens because nobody cares about shutdown modes to fix them. But then the same is true for crashes. I understand that you have your own experience, but thought to note this all the same. >>From the constructive angle, I think that a crash should render into existing mode, into the currently mapped frame buffer. This is the only way how it can be made to work reliably. Yours, -- Pete