From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965301AbXCTKXV (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965320AbXCTKXV (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:21 -0400 Received: from smtp14.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.5]:55639 "EHLO smtp14.wxs.nl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965301AbXCTKXU (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:26:40 +0100 From: jos poortvliet X-Face: $0>4o"Xx2u2q(Tx!D+6~yPc{ZhEfnQnu:/nthh%Kr%f$aiATk$xjx^X4admsd*)=?utf-8?q?IZz=3A=5FkT=0A=09=7CurITP!=2E?=)L`*)Vw@4\@6>#r;3xSPW`,~C9vb`W/s]}Gq]b!o_/+(lJ:b)=?utf-8?q?T0=26KCLMGvG=7CS=5E=0A=09z=7B=5C=2E7EtehxhFQE=27eYSsir/=7CtQ?= =?utf-8?q?j=23rWQe4o?=>WC>_R To: ck@vds.kolivas.org Cc: Linus Torvalds , Xavier Bestel , Al Boldi , Andrew Morton , Mike Galbraith , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mark Lord , Nicholas Miell Message-id: <200703201126.41114.jos@mijnkamer.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=nextPart1954619.Rz0z5MrxHk Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200703042335.26785.a1426z@gawab.com> <1174322580.30876.72.camel@frg-rhel40-em64t-04> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --nextPart1954619.Rz0z5MrxHk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Op Tuesday 20 March 2007, schreef Linus Torvalds: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Xavier Bestel wrote: > > > >> Stock scheduler wins easily, no contest. > > > > > > > > What happens when you renice X ? > > > > > > Dunno -- not necessary with the stock scheduler. > > > > Could you try something like renice -10 $(pidof Xorg) ? > > Could you try something as simple and accepting that maybe this is a > problem? > > Quite frankly, I was *planning* on merging RSDL very early after 2.6.21, > but there is one thing that has turned me completely off the whole thing: > > - the people involved seem to be totally unwilling to even admit there > might be a problem. > > This is like alcoholism. If you cannot admit that you might have a > problem, you'll never get anywhere. And quite frankly, the RSDL proponents > seem to be in denial ("we're always better", "it's your problem if the old > scheduler works better", "just one report of old scheduler being better"). > > And the thing is, if people aren't even _willing_ to admit that there may > be issues, there's *no*way*in*hell* I will merge it even for testing. > Because the whole and only point of merging RSDL was to see if it could > replace the old scheduler, and the most important feature in that case is > not whether it is perfect, BUT WHETHER ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO > FIX THE INEVITABLE PROBLEMS! Con simply isn't available right now, but you're right. RSDL isn't ready ye= t,=20 imho, there seem to be some regressions (and I'm bitten by them, too). But = if=20 con's past behaviour says anything about how he's going to behave in the=20 future (and according to my psych prof it's the most reliable predictor ;-)= ),=20 I'm pretty sure he'll jump on this when he's healthy again. He's gone throu= gh=20 great lengths to fix problems with staircase, no matter how obscure, so I s= ee=20 no reason why he wouldn't do the same for RSDL... Though scheduler problems= =20 can be extremely hard to reproduce on other hardware. > See? > > Can you people not see that the way you're doing that "RSDL is perfect" > chorus in the face of people who report problems, you're just making it > totally unrealistic that it will *ever* get merged. > > So unless somebody steps up to the plate and actually *talks* about the > problem reports, and admits that maybe RSDL will need some tweaking, I'm > not going to merge it. > > Because there is just _one_ thing that is more important than code - and > that is the willingness to fix the code... > > Linus > _______________________________________________ > http://ck.kolivas.org/faqs/replying-to-mailing-list.txt > ck mailing list - mailto: ck@vds.kolivas.org > http://vds.kolivas.org/mailman/listinfo/ck =2D-=20 Disclaimer: Alles wat ik doe denk en zeg is gebaseerd op het wereldbeeld wat ik nu heb.= =20 Ik ben niet verantwoordelijk voor wijzigingen van de wereld, of het beeld w= at=20 ik daarvan heb, noch voor de daaruit voortvloeiende gedragingen van mezelf.= =20 Alles wat ik zeg is aardig bedoeld, tenzij expliciet vermeld. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --nextPart1954619.Rz0z5MrxHk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBF/7bh+wgQ1AD35iwRAp1OAKDO+TXuoTLeuJLnpHjMg4KAwF7ZLQCeLyWb zE1T6ueYRt3G8bETaXO3noI= =BmDr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1954619.Rz0z5MrxHk--