From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1161373AbXD2VFd (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:05:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1161361AbXD2VFd (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:05:33 -0400 Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:32799 "EHLO mailhub.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1161339AbXD2VEy (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:04:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:05:05 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Diego Calleja , Andi Kleen , Chuck Ebbert , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21 Message-ID: <20070429210505.GS3468@stusta.de> References: <20070428224904.GE3468@stusta.de> <20070429173500.GA30248@one.firstfloor.org> <20070429180909.GA30604@one.firstfloor.org> <20070429214007.9ea12e96.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070429201729.GQ3468@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 01:33:16PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > The kernel Bugzilla currently contains 1600 open bugs. > > Adrian, why do you keep harping on this, and ignoring reality? > > Kernel bugzilla has 1600 open bugs BECAUSE IT SUCKS. OK, how do you suggest to track bugs in a way that doesn't suck? Bug reports to linux-kernel have the big problem that they are lost if no developer immediately picks them up. > How many of those are interesting and valid? How many of them are > relevant? How many of them are duplicates? > > You don't know. Nobody does. So why do you bother reporting that number? What I do know is that the majority of them has never been proper debugged by a kernel developer knowing the subsystem in question. > That number is exactly as relevant as the number of dog-hairs on our couch > ("in the millions"). An impressively large number, definitely uncountable, > and definitely also not relevant to anythign at all. Not at all unlike > that "1600 open bugs" number that you bring up. > > Do you think the number of dog-hairs on our couch is an argument for or > against people trying to track regressions? If not, why do you keep > bringing up bugzilla? I tracked 2.6.21-rc regressions, and I do not scale for higher numbers of bugs. When I had to track 36 known regressions it was a real nightmare. Bugzilla tracks regressions and scales for higher numbers of bugs. Let me ask you two questions: - Do you think regression tracking makes any sense at all? - If yes, which scalable way of regression tracking would in your opinion not suck? > Linus cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed