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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:25:15 +0100
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [patch 03/10] Allow userspace applications to use marker.h to
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O> > Out of curiosity, what is the kernel infrastructure you believe I should 
> > be using to get a list of all available markers in a kernel?  Note that 
> > I also have a requirement to get a list of all available markers in a 
> > kernel that isn't the currently running one.
> 
> None.  Modules using markers should ship with the kernel or be written
> on deman and not beeing created by some unreliable parser.

And what do you think should happen in the real world instead of
Christoph fantasy land ?

Getting the marker exports right is what is needed to avoid having an
unreliable parser and ending up with a reliable one.

Or would you rather someone loaded a JVM into kernel space so it was
"shipped with the kernel"

Alan