From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:32:23 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706280132.23739.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070627171149.GZ21478@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Al Viro wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:53:58PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> > Al Viro wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 11:18:36AM +0200, Zolt?n HUBERT wrote:
> > > > And as I understand it, this is (was ?) the whole point of
> > > > stable/development kernels. "We" can trust a newer stable
> > > > kernel to be a drop-in replacement for an older stable
> > > > kernel (from the same series), while development kernels
> > > > need time to stabilise with the new whizz-bang-pfouit stuff
> > > > that you all so nicely add.
> > >
> > > "Drop-in" in which sense? That out-of-tree modules keep working?
> > > Not really...
> >
> > Al, be reasonable. There are many out-of-tree GPL modules that won't be
> > accepted into mainline, never mind those that shouldn't be accepted.
> > But these modules do have a right to not be obsoleted by constant API
> > changes.
>
> Modules do not have any rights; it's software...
Ok, this should have been read as kernel/module dev/user right to leverage
each others code under GPL and out of good-will to yield an increased
harvest.
> > You are effectively inhibiting the development of an out-of-tree GPL
> > module pool, by constantly pulling the rug under that community.
>
> The same thing happens with any yet-to-be-merged code.
>
> > Do you think this is fair?
>
> Yes, it is fair. Decision to maintain your code out of tree indefinitely
> is your decision.
It's not my decision, it's the kernel maintainers decision to reject
inclusion for one reason or another. One reason could be a simple "we don't
think this is useful".
Also, I think it's unrealistic to expect thousands of little-used modules to
be included into mainline.
But, should we hinder that community to grow?
Thanks!
--
Al
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-27 22:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-27 13:53 Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0 Al Boldi
2007-06-27 15:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 16:08 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-27 16:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-27 16:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 22:32 ` Al Boldi
2007-06-27 17:11 ` Al Viro
2007-06-27 22:32 ` Al Boldi [this message]
2007-06-27 23:12 ` Al Viro
2007-06-28 15:37 ` Al Boldi
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2007-06-29 21:05 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-29 21:27 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-30 2:11 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-06-30 10:50 ` Rene Herman
[not found] <fa.ZV8hYZHQHqzfx1dgOFeEVFRogSg@ifi.uio.no>
2007-06-27 14:15 ` Bill Waddington
2007-06-28 11:15 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-28 15:28 ` William D Waddington
2007-06-28 16:30 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 16:39 ` William D Waddington
2007-06-29 0:00 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 21:39 ` Al Viro
2007-06-28 22:00 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 22:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 22:45 ` Rene Herman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-21 21:49 Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 21:54 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-21 22:21 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-22 20:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-21 22:29 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-06-21 22:34 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 23:01 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-21 23:08 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 23:36 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-06-21 23:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-28 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-29 13:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-29 22:33 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22 15:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-22 17:11 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-22 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-24 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-25 16:38 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-25 23:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-25 23:23 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 22:57 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 23:07 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-06-21 23:23 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-22 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-26 11:59 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-26 14:37 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-26 15:04 ` Renato S. Yamane
2007-06-26 19:03 ` Roland Kuhn
2007-06-27 9:18 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-27 9:54 ` Alan McKinnon
2007-06-27 9:55 ` Al Viro
2007-06-27 14:44 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-27 16:13 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-29 16:37 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-06-21 23:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-21 23:32 ` david
2007-06-22 8:41 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-21 22:52 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-21 22:59 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 22:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-22 3:51 ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-22 9:19 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-06-22 9:45 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-23 7:25 ` Chris Snook
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