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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, akpm@linux-foundation.org, neilb@suse.de,
	dgc@sgi.com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com,
	nikita@clusterfs.com, trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no,
	yingchao.zhou@gmail.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:47:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070806094718.73a4539c@think.oraclecorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070805150029.GB28263@thunk.org>

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:00:29 -0400
Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 02:26:53AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > I always thought the right solution would be to just sync atime only
> > very very lazily. This means if a inode is only dirty because of an
> > atime update put it on a "only write out when there is nothing to do
> > or the memory is really needed" list.
> 
> As I've mentioend earlier, the memory balancing issues that arise when
> we add an "atime dirty" bit scare me a little.  It can be addressed,
> obviously, but at the cost of more code complexity.

ext3 and reiser both use a dirty_inode method to make sure that we
don't actually have dirty inodes.  This way, kswapd doesn't get stuck
on the log and is able to do real work.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of relatime with a kinoded
that is willing to get stuck on the log.  The FS would need a few
tweaks so that write_inode() could know if it really needed to log or
not, but for testing you could just drop ext3_dirty_inode and have
ext3_write_inode do real work.

Then just change kswapd to kick a new kinoded and benchmark away.  A
real patch would have to look for places where mark_inode_dirty was
used and expected the dirty_inode callback to log things right away,
but for testing its good enough.

-chris

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-03 12:37 [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 01/23] nfs: remove congestion_end() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 02/23] lib: percpu_counter_add Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 03/23] lib: percpu_counter variable batch Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 04/23] lib: make percpu_counter_add take s64 Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 05/23] lib: percpu_counter_set Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 06/23] lib: percpu_counter_sum_positive Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 07/23] lib: percpu_count_sum() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 08/23] lib: percpu_counter_init error handling Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 09/23] lib: percpu_counter_init_irq Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 10/23] mm: bdi init hooks Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 11/23] containers: " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 12/23] mtd: " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 13/23] mtd: clean up the backing_dev_info usage Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 14/23] mtd: give mtdconcat devices their own backing_dev_info Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 15/23] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 16/23] mm: count reclaimable pages per BDI Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 17/23] mm: count writeback " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-09 19:15   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 19:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-09 19:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-13  8:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 18/23] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 19/23] lib: floating proportions Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 20/23] lib: floating proportions _single Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 21/23] mm: per device dirty threshold Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 22/23] mm: dirty balancing for tasks Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 23/23] debug: sysfs files for the current ratio/size/total Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 22:21 ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04  7:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04  7:44       ` david
2007-08-04 16:01         ` Ray Lee
2007-08-04 17:15           ` david
2007-08-09  5:11           ` david
2007-08-04 10:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 16:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 16:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 16:51             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-04 16:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:23                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-04 17:02             ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 17:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 17:38                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 17:51                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-08 10:43                 ` Karel Zak
2007-08-04 17:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 18:08               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-04 19:12                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-04 19:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 19:26                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-04 19:42                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-06 18:03                           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-06 18:53                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-06 19:37                             ` Alan Cox
2007-08-06 19:46                               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-07  7:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 21:10                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-08-08 21:21                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-09  0:54                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-08-11 23:14                                 ` Valerie Henson
2007-08-10  0:21                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-14  9:57                           ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-04 19:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 19:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 20:00                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05  8:18                           ` [patch] add noatime/atime boot options, CONFIG_DEFAULT_NOATIME Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:13                         ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-04 21:48                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05 18:01                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 20:34                               ` Christoph Hellwig
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2007-08-15 18:16                                     ` david.balazic
2007-08-04 20:11                     ` [PATCH 00/23] " Alan Cox
2007-08-04 20:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-04 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2007-08-04 23:51                           ` Claudio Martins
2007-08-05  0:49                             ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:28                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 10:29                                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 12:46                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:58                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:29                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-06  6:57                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 13:12                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-05 14:46                               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05 17:55                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 17:59                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 18:09                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 18:08                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-07 21:20                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-05  7:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-07 18:55                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-07 19:35                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-08 17:44                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-04 20:28                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:34                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-04 21:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  7:29                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05  7:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  8:53                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-05 14:17                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 18:02                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 18:37                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:21                                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:33                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05 12:47                               ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:56                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 18:44                               ` Dave Jones
2007-08-05 18:58                                 ` adi
2007-08-06  6:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 15:59                                   ` Dave Jones
2007-08-06 16:16                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  7:37                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  9:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 12:43                               ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:54                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:37                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 18:08                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:11                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-08-08 18:22                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-08 19:39                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-08 20:31                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-08 23:18                                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-07 19:09                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-04 21:48                         ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:13                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:22                             ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-05 19:03                               ` david
2007-08-06  6:52                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10  4:04                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-11  5:19                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-06  6:58                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09  0:57                             ` Greg Trounson
2007-08-09  1:26                               ` david
2007-08-09  2:33                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-04 22:39                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-08-05 10:20                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 10:42                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 10:58                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 12:46                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:46                         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 16:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-05 19:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:22                             ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:28                               ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, v2 Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 20:42                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06  5:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:53                               ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 20:04                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 20:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 19:29                             ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Alan Cox
2007-08-05 19:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 23:43                     ` David Chinner
2007-08-05  0:26             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-05 15:00               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06 13:47                 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2007-08-17  0:45                 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-05 20:41               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-06 10:42                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-16 10:18               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-09  6:25             ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2007-08-09 15:02               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-09 16:22                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 16:41           ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-04 17:26             ` Nikita Danilov
2007-08-04 19:16             ` Florian Weimer
2007-08-05  6:00               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2007-08-05 20:43                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-05 22:46               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06  0:24               ` David Chinner
2007-08-05  0:28         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-04 16:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-05 17:22     ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-05 22:17       ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06  8:40         ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-14  1:44           ` Stewart Smith
2007-08-14  2:25             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14  7:59               ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-06 20:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-08 12:25 ` richard kennedy
2007-08-08 13:54   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-10  4:17     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-10 16:00 pointman

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