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From: Jerry Jiang <wjiang@resilience.com>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>, Zan Lynx <zlynx@acm.org>,
	"Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@mindspring.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: why are some atomic_t's not volatile, while most are?
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:27:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070808162755.61f50fbf.wjiang@resilience.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46B96719.3050006@redhat.com>

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:47:53 -0400
Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com> wrote:

> Chris Friesen wrote:
> > Chris Snook wrote:
> > 
> >> This is not a problem, since indirect references will cause the CPU to 
> >> fetch the data from memory/cache anyway.
> > 
> > Isn't Zan's sample code (that shows the problem) already using indirect 
> > references?
> 
> Yeah, I misinterpreted his conclusion.  I thought about this for a 
> while, and realized that it's perfectly legal for the compiler to re-use 
> a value obtained from atomic_read.  All that matters is that the read 
> itself was atomic.  The use (or non-use) of the volatile keyword is 
> really more relevant to the other atomic operations.  If you want to 
> guarantee a re-read from memory, use barrier().  This, incidentally, 
> uses volatile under the hood.
> 


So for example, without volatile

int a = read_atomic(v);
int b = read_atomic(v);

the compiler will optimize it as b = a, 
But with volatile, it will be forced to fetch v's value from memory
again.

So, come back our initial question, 

include/asm-v850/atomic.h:typedef struct { int counter; } atomic_t;

Why is it right without volatile?

-- Jerry


> 	-- Chris

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-01 12:49 why are some atomic_t's not volatile, while most are? Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-06  4:35 ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-06 14:12   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-07 15:51     ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-07 20:32       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-07 21:02         ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-07 21:19           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-07 21:38             ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-07 22:02               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-07 22:46                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-07 22:06               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-08-07 22:49                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-07 22:32               ` Zan Lynx
2007-08-08  1:31                 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-08  4:50                   ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-08  6:47                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-08  8:16                       ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-08  8:27                       ` Jerry Jiang [this message]
2007-08-08 20:54                         ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 12:37                           ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-09 12:52                             ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 18:02                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-09 18:04                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-08  2:27         ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-08  5:39           ` Chris Snook

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