From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S935190AbXHHXP2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:15:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760267AbXHHXPM (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:15:12 -0400 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:57794 "EHLO the-village.bc.nu" rhost-flags-OK-FAIL-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760168AbXHHXPJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:15:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:18:31 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Jeff Garzik Cc: Bill Davidsen , Ingo Molnar , J??rn Engel , Linus Torvalds , Peter Zijlstra , linux-mm@kvack.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , miklos@szeredi.hu, akpm@linux-foundation.org, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com, trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk, david@lang.hm Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Message-ID: <20070809001831.46147921@the-village.bc.nu> In-Reply-To: <46BA1C08.4050904@garzik.org> References: <20070804191205.GA24723@lazybastard.org> <20070804192130.GA25346@elte.hu> <20070804211156.5f600d80@the-village.bc.nu> <20070804202830.GA4538@elte.hu> <20070804210351.GA9784@elte.hu> <20070804225121.5c7b66e0@the-village.bc.nu> <20070805073709.GA6325@elte.hu> <20070805134328.1a4474dd@the-village.bc.nu> <20070805125433.GA22060@elte.hu> <20070805143708.279f51f8@the-village.bc.nu> <20070805180826.GD3244@elte.hu> <46BA09CC.7070007@tmr.com> <46BA1C08.4050904@garzik.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Organization: Red Hat UK Cyf., Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1TE, Y Deyrnas Gyfunol. Cofrestrwyd yng Nghymru a Lloegr o'r rhif cofrestru 3798903 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:39:52 -0400 Jeff Garzik wrote: > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Being standards compliant is not an argument it's a design goal, a > > requirement. Standards compliance is like pregant, you are or you're > > Linux history says different. There was always the "final 1%" of > compliance that required silliness we really did not want to bother with. This isn't about the 1% however. Its about API and ABI. Changing the default is a fairly evil ABI change. Telling everyone relatime is cool on desktops and defaulting it in the distro is not an ABI change and is very sensible