From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756754AbXKMMOJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:14:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754220AbXKMMNx (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:13:53 -0500 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:42842 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754044AbXKMMNv (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:13:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: David Miller Cc: protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Message-Id: <20071113041259.79c9a8c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20071113.035824.40509981.davem@davemloft.net> References: <20071113031553.3c7b5c16.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.033946.114918709.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113034916.2556edd7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.035824.40509981.davem@davemloft.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.1 (GTK+ 2.8.17; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller wrote: > From: Andrew Morton > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800 > > > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? > > Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps? > That doesn't answer my question. See, first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do this, then we can then have a think about what to do about it. I tried to convince the 2006 KS attendees that we have a problem and I resoundingly failed. People seemed to think that we're doing OK. But it appears that data such as this contradicts that belief. This is not a minor matter. If the kernel _is_ slowly deteriorating then this won't become readily apparent until it has been happening for a number of years. By that stage there will be so much work to do to get us back to an acceptable level that it will take a huge effort. And it will take a long time after that for the kerel to get its reputation back. So it is important that we catch deterioration *early* if it is happening.