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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	protasnb@gmail.com, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org,
	linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:17:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071113151729.3291c889.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071113230936.GI1356@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:37 +0000 Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 +0000 Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 +0000 Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > No, I don't mean that at all and this was very plainly obviously from my very
> > clearly written email.  Let me try again.
> 
> If you screen all bugzilla reports then you'll know that bug #9356 arrived
> at about 1400 GMT yesterday.  It's hardly surprising then that your utterly
> crappy responses to Natalie's message (which, incidentally, wasn't copied
> to me) sent within 24 hours of that report cause *great* annoyance.
> 
> > No, no subsystem developer needs to monitor new bugzilla reports.  This is
> > because *I do it for them*.  I will actively make them aware of new reports
> > which I believe are legitimate and which contain sufficient information for
> > them to be able to take further action.
> 
> On the whole you do an excellent job with feeding the bug reports to
> people, and while I recognise that you're only human, things do
> occasionally go wrong.  For instance, sending clearly marked Samsung
> S3C bugs to me rather than Ben Dooks (who's in MAINTAINERS for those
> platforms.)


Well whatever, sorry.  But this is in the noise floor.  Point is: many bug
reports aren't being attended to.


> > > > > It would be far more productive if the ARM category was deleted from
> > > > > bugzilla and the few people who use bugzilla reported their bugs on the
> > > > > mailing list.  We've a couple of thousand people on the ARM kernel
> > > > > mailing list at the moment - that's 3 orders of magnitude more of eyes
> > > > > than look at bugzilla.
> > > > 
> > > > Is that linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk?
> > > 
> > > Yes.
> > > 
> > > > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only.  That would cause
> > > > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
> > > 
> > > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > > non-subscribers only mailing list.  Period.  Not negotiable, so don't even
> > > try to change my mind.
> > 
> > Making a list subscribers-only will cause some bug reports to be lost.
> > 
> > Tradeoffs are involved, against which decisions must be made.  You have
> > made yours.
> 
> So how are they lost when they're held in a moderation queue and are
> either accepted, a useful response given to the original poster, or
> are forwarded to someone who can deal with the issue.
> 
> I don't think "subscribers only" describes my lists - we don't devnull
> stuff just because the poster is not a subscriber.

Oh, OK, as long as there really is a human paying attention to those things
then that's fine.  When one is on the sending end of these things one never
knows how long it will take, not whether it will even happen.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-13 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13  6:42 [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Natalie Protasevich
2007-11-13 11:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:24   ` Jens Axboe
2007-11-13 11:33   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-11-13 11:39   ` David Miller
2007-11-13 11:49     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:58       ` David Miller
2007-11-13 12:12         ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 12:32           ` David Miller
2007-11-13 19:02             ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:00               ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-13 21:04                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 16:56                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 19:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-14 22:22                       ` Heikki Orsila
2007-11-14 23:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-13 21:37                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:56                   ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-15  4:07                     ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  4:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15  5:25                         ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  5:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15  5:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 11:50                               ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 16:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 19:40                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:44                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 20:59                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:12                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:14                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:47                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:11                                               ` Chris Friesen
2007-11-15 22:31                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:24                                               ` Rob Mueller
2007-11-18 23:13                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-11-19  3:41                                                   ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-16  0:48                                               ` Alan Cox
2007-11-21 21:25                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-19  3:54                                           ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22  3:42                                           ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option Bron Gondwana
2007-11-26 17:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-27  1:30                                               ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27  4:54                                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27  5:24                                               ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27  5:53                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27 12:10                                                   ` dirty highmem calculation sysctl name (Was: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27 13:06                                                     ` [PATCH] mm/page-writeback - highmem_is_dirtyable option (replaces dirty_highmem patch) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-21 23:51                                   ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22  2:16                                     ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-13 19:32             ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:13               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 23:29                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:38                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:52               ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:18                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 22:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 23:09                     ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:17                       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-11-14  1:55                     ` David Miller
2007-11-14  2:27                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  3:47                         ` David Miller
2007-11-14  8:30                         ` Russell King
2007-11-14  9:55                       ` Russell King
2007-11-14 10:07                         ` David Miller
2007-11-14 11:46                           ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2007-11-14 11:56                             ` David Miller
2007-11-14 12:01                               ` David Miller
2007-11-14  8:25                                 ` Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 12:21                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14  9:47                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 23:23                                       ` Moderated list David Miller
2007-11-15  6:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:12                                 ` [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:09                               ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15  4:16                             ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  5:59                               ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 12:02                                 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 12:26                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:00                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 14:29                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:17                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-11-15  9:34                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 19:44                           ` Russell King
2007-11-16 22:16                           ` Use *poof* for linux-omap (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Tony Lindgren
2007-11-17  0:45                             ` Use *poof* for linux-omap David Miller
2007-11-18 20:01                               ` Tony Lindgren
2007-11-14  5:56                   ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14  5:59                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14  6:13                     ` David Miller
2007-11-13 13:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 14:08             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 15:24               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-11-13 15:57                 ` Ray Lee
2007-11-13 17:01                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 17:50                     ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-13 22:03                       ` Frans Pop
2007-11-13 15:52               ` Benoit Boissinot
2007-11-13 16:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:13                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 17:30                   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:33                   ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 18:55                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 20:07                       ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 17:56                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:57                     ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14  0:41                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14  0:39                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14  7:27                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-14  7:46                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 13:30                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-14 13:35                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2007-11-14 21:39                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 21:58                                 ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14 18:27                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-11-14 16:55                     ` Jan Evert van Grootheest
2007-11-14 23:23                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-15 15:30                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-15 16:19                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16  8:20                         ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-16 18:20                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16 19:46                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-17 12:20                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-18 18:01                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 16:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:50                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:12                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:18                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:36                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:47                         ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:04                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:12                             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:30                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:46                                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 20:04                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:26                             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 20:00                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 20:13                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:20                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:12                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-14  0:52                                   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-11-14  1:11                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-14  2:10                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  1:10                       ` David Miller
2007-11-14  1:18                         ` Peter Stuge
2007-11-13 18:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-13 18:39                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:43                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:49                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:54                         ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:09                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-14 14:30                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 14:49                             ` Larry Finger
2007-11-18 12:44                   ` size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Pavel Machek
2007-11-18 12:58                     ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:35                       ` James Bottomley
2007-11-18 15:19                         ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-19  4:43                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-13 19:37               ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:18                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:33                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 21:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:24                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 22:43                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:29                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 23:40                   ` Russell King
2007-11-14  1:56                     ` David Miller
2007-11-14  0:34               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-15  3:06                 ` Neil Brown
2007-11-13 16:55             ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 14:08               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 17:38                 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 18:23                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-15  2:50                     ` Neil Brown
2007-11-16  0:05                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-14 20:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:29                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 20:37                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05                         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 19:56                 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 20:09                   ` James Bottomley
2007-11-14 20:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05                     ` david
2007-11-13 11:47   ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-11-13 13:58   ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 14:18     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 16:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 16:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 17:47       ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:32         ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:49           ` Ray Lee
2007-11-15 16:51             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:53               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 18:14           ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-15 17:31             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 19:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 19:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 22:23                   ` Mark Lord
2007-11-16  5:55                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16  7:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16  8:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:23                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-11-16 12:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 12:58                               ` [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 13:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-16 14:21                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-16 19:06                         ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-16 18:35                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 20:12                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 12:56                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 13:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 13:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 18:35                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 18:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 15:16                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 18:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 20:47                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 20:54                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 23:41                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02  8:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 11:31                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 12:31                                           ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 13:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:46                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:44                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 13:57                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:11                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:47                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 19:55                                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:07                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 20:30                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:45                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 21:08                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:10                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:19                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03  0:57                                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04  0:06                                                               ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04  9:34                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 15:49                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 20:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-18 16:10           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-18 16:21             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-18 17:37               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 17:54       ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 23:37           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:10       ` Russell King
2007-11-13 18:25         ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 22:34           ` Russell King
2007-11-15 20:16             ` Ben Dooks
2007-11-13 15:21   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-11-13 15:33   ` James Bottomley
2007-11-13 16:43     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-13 17:46     ` Martin Bligh
2007-11-13 18:47       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  5:07       ` David Miller
2007-11-13 15:36   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:49   ` Jan Kara
2007-11-13 18:04   ` Russell King
2007-11-14 12:46   ` Jiri Kosina
2007-11-14 13:24   ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-14 14:14     ` Fabio Comolli
2007-11-14 19:52     ` Russell King

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