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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au
Cc: simon@fire.lp0.eu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sockets affected by IPsec always block (2.6.23)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:12:00 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071204.231200.117152338.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071205065132.GA11476@gondor.apana.org.au>

From: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:51:32 +1100

> Does anybody actually need the 0 setting? What would we break if
> the default became 1?

I bet there are UDP apps out there that would break if we
didn't do this.

Actually, consider even a case like DNS.  Let's say the timeout
is set to 2 seconds or something and you have 3 DNS servers
listed, on different IPSEC destinations, in your resolv.conf

Each IPSEC route that isn't currently resolved will cause packet loss
of the DNS lookup request with xfrm_larval_drop set to '1'.

If all 3 need to be resolved, the DNS lookup will fully fail
which defeats the purpose of listing 3 servers for redundancy
don't you think? :-)

As much as I even personally prefer the xfrm_larval_drop=1
behavior, it cases like above that keep me from jumping at
making it the default.

Arguably, potentially blocking forever (which is what can easily
happen with xfrm_larval_drop=0 if your IPSEC daemon cannot resolve the
IPSEC path for whatever reason) is worse than the above, but the
other cases are still something to consider as well.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-05  7:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-04 18:53 sockets affected by IPsec always block (2.6.23) Simon Arlott
2007-12-05  0:12 ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-05  6:30   ` David Miller
2007-12-05  6:51     ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-05  7:12       ` David Miller [this message]
2007-12-05  7:16         ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-05  7:34           ` David Miller
2007-12-05  7:39             ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-05  9:55               ` David Miller
2007-12-05  9:57                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-05 18:42         ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-05 18:39       ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-06  2:25         ` David Miller
2007-12-06  8:49           ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-06  8:53             ` David Miller
2007-12-06 10:56               ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-06 11:13                 ` David Miller
2007-12-06 11:35                   ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-06 11:39                     ` David Miller
2007-12-06 12:30                       ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-06 13:55                         ` David Miller
2007-12-06 14:31                           ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-07  3:20                             ` David Miller
2007-12-07  9:29                               ` Stefan Rompf
2007-12-16 22:47     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-16 23:22       ` David Miller
2007-12-05  6:06 ` David Miller

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