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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH for mm] Remove iBCS support
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:18:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080120051822.GB19784@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4792D221.1010704@davidnewall.com>

On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 03:16:25PM +1030, David Newall wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 12:57:29PM +1030, David Newall wrote:
> >   
> >> compatibility.  This is a sleeping giant for Linux.  There are plenty of
> >>     
> >
> > Interesting choice of words.
> >   
> KFC and Dominoes use SCO for their cash registers, to pick just two
> enormous future opportunities.

I suppose if they update their cash registers they will just go 
with fully Linux binaries.

> > But it does not make sense for all Linux kernels to always check for iBCS executables
> > when they don't have to code to run them anyways.
> >   
> 
> I don't suppose you're suggesting this will make a big difference.  Even
> if every exec did nothing but immediately exit, it still wouldn't make
> much difference.

It's not a big difference, but why do unnecessary work on all 
Linux kernels? There are a lot of Linux machines out there and 
if all of them only do a little unnecessary work each fork()
over a year it adds up to really a lot of wasted cycles.

Especially since the few people who might really
need it can easily readd it.

> Likewise, I take your point about proper iBCS support (and I suppose
> it's really iBCS2 that we're talking about.)  My concern is that
> removing this now gains almost nothing, 2 strcmp per exec is as close to
> nothing as anything, but it sends a message with which I disagree.  The
> message should be that Linux is good for, well the same things FreeBSD
> is, and includes running Solaris and SCO binaries.  This is a major

But Linux is not good for this currently, at least not unless you
add a significant patch (which I'm not sure does even exist
for modern 2.6; iBCS was mainly deployed on 2.4 kernels). And when you 
add that patch you can easily readd the strcmps too.

> simplification of the story, I know, but still hits the plot highlights.

You're worried about this patch generating headlines?

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-20  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-19  4:59 [PATCH for mm] Remove iBCS support Andi Kleen
2008-01-20  2:27 ` David Newall
2008-01-20  3:11   ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-20  4:46     ` David Newall
2008-01-20  5:18       ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-01-20  5:33         ` David Newall
2008-01-20  5:55           ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-20  6:23             ` David Newall
2008-01-20  7:29               ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-21  1:37                 ` David Newall
2008-01-22 10:24                   ` Karl Kiniger
2008-01-22 15:06                     ` David Newall
2008-01-22 15:52                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-23  8:48                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-23 14:12                       ` Karl Kiniger
2008-01-23 14:24                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-24 17:06                           ` David Newall
2008-01-22 11:12                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-22 12:42                     ` Karl Kiniger
2008-01-22 15:13                     ` David Newall
2008-01-22 15:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-24 17:01                         ` David Newall
2008-01-22 16:01                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-24 17:04                         ` David Newall
2008-01-24 17:24                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-24 17:55                             ` David Newall
2008-01-24 18:14                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-25  2:14                                 ` David Newall
2008-01-25  5:12                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-25 16:40                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-01-24 19:51                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-25  2:17                                 ` David Newall
2008-01-24 20:37                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-25  2:16                                 ` David Newall
2008-01-22 16:50                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-24 17:08                         ` David Newall
2008-01-22 13:20                 ` Giulio
2008-01-20 13:06           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-20 13:43             ` David Newall
2008-01-20 13:51               ` Alan Cox
2008-01-25 12:17 ` Ingo Molnar

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