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From: Joe Buck <Joe.Buck@synopsys.COM>
To: Richard Guenther <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't follow x86/x86-64 ABI wrt direction flag
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:34:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080306173438.GH17267@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84fc9c000803060406u7dfa0d38ve8af3154bf5064f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 01:06:17PM +0100, Richard Guenther wrote:
> On 06 Mar 2008 12:45:57 +0100, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> > Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com> writes:
> >  >
> >  > I suppose one could apply the precautionary principle, but those systems that
> >  > don't update kernels won't update gcc either, so the solution won't work.
> >
> >  You seem to assume that running a gcc 4.3 compiled binary requires a
> >  gcc update. That is not necessarily true.
> 
> It (sometimes) requires a libgcc and libstdc++ update.

"Sometimes" is correct; many users commonly run newer compilers on older
distros, with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to pick up the correct C++ support
library.  This is particularly common on servers, where you don't want to
mess with a working system but you might need to run newer code.

So, we've been arguing for a while, so the question is what to do.

Using a principle based on the old IETF concept of being liberal in what
you accept, and conservative in what you send, I think that both the Linux
kernel and gcc should fix the problem.  The kernel should fix the
information leak, and gcc should remove the assumption that the direction
flag is set in a given direction on function entry.

The gcc patch will be too late for 4.3.0, but it would be on the 4.3
branch, and we would recommend that distros pick it up for any compilers
they ship.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05 15:30 Linux doesn't follow x86/x86-64 ABI wrt direction flag Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 16:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 19:58   ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 20:23     ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 20:38       ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 20:42         ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 20:49           ` Jan Hubicka
2008-03-05 21:02             ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 21:20               ` RELEASE BLOCKER: " Joe Buck
2008-03-05 21:32                 ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-05 21:34                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 21:40                     ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-05 22:16                       ` David Miller
2008-03-05 22:37                         ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 22:51                         ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:58                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 23:07                             ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 23:10                               ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:16                                 ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 23:12                               ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-05 21:43                     ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 21:44                       ` Richard Guenther
     [not found]                     ` <738B72DB-A1D6-43F8-813A-E49688D05771@apple.com>
2008-03-05 21:59                       ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:13                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-05 22:21                           ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:13                           ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06  0:36                         ` Chris Lattner
2008-03-06  0:47                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                             ` <578FCA7D-D7A6-44F6-9310-4A97C13CDCBE@apple.com>
2008-03-06  1:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  9:17                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 13:51                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 14:03                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 14:12                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 14:15                                       ` Andrew Haley
2008-03-06 17:58                                       ` Joe Buck
2008-03-06 18:10                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 18:13                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 18:31                                             ` Jack Lloyd
2008-03-06 18:35                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2008-03-06 19:44                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 19:43                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 20:16                                                 ` Jack Lloyd
2008-03-06 21:37                                                   ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-06 15:09                                   ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 15:37                                   ` NightStrike
2008-03-06 15:43                                     ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 15:50                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 16:23                                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 16:27                                           ` İsmail Dönmez
2008-03-06 16:58                                           ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 17:06                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 17:14                                               ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 17:17                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 17:34                                                   ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 19:35                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 17:18                                                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 17:19                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 19:25                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 20:37                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-07  8:28                                                       ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-07  8:00                                                     ` Andreas Jaeger
2008-03-06 15:57                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 16:29                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 17:18                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 16:14                                   ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-06  0:49                           ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 22:05                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  2:11                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-06  8:44                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-06  9:01                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 15:20                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 21:45                   ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 21:43                 ` Andrew Pinski
2008-03-05 21:43                 ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:12                   ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 22:17                   ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:17                   ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-05 23:21                     ` David Daney
2008-03-06 14:06                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-08 19:10                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-03-05 21:07             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 20:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 20:52           ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 21:23             ` David Miller
2008-03-06  9:53             ` Andrew Haley
2008-03-06 11:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-06 12:06                 ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-06 17:34                   ` Joe Buck [this message]
2008-03-06 20:54                     ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-06 20:56                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 22:06                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-07  4:56                           ` Chris Lattner
2008-03-07 14:09                           ` Michael Matz
2008-03-06  9:45       ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-03-05 16:56 ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-05 18:14 ` [PATCH] x86: Clear DF before calling signal handler Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 18:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  9:21   ` Ingo Molnar

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