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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Shanahan <kmshanah@ucwb.org.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:25:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090117162519.GD10825@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1232209281.5987.4.camel@marge.simson.net>


* Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 17:01 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 04:43 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12465 just popped up - another
> > > > scheduler regression.  It has been bisected.
> > > 
> > > Seems pretty clear.  I'd suggest reverting it.
> > 
> > We can revert it (and will revert it if no solution is found), but i'd 
> > also like to understand why it happens, because that kind of 
> > regression from this change is unexpected - we might be hiding some 
> > bug that could pop up under less debuggable circumstances, so we need 
> > to understand it while we have a chance.
> 
> Agree.  However, with the sched_mc stuff, mysql+oltp now does better 
> with NEWIDLE on than off as well, as does an nfs kbuild.

Didnt you come up with the verdict that sched_mc=2 is not a win - or has 
that changed? If we should change the defaults then please send a 
re-tuning patch against the latest code.

Still, the ping delays of multiple seconds are completely unacceptable and 
need to be understood, or these will come back and might bite us in a lot 
less fortunate place. NEWIDLE and WAKE_BALANCE has micro-effects on 
latencies - anything in the user-visible range is highly anomalous at 
these low load levels.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-17 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 392+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-11 14:43 [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 20:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17  4:40     ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-17  6:29       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17  9:54         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 10:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17 10:34             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 12:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17 12:19                 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 12:43                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-17 13:22                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-17 16:21                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:25                           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-01-17 16:37                             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18  7:45                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18  8:29                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18  8:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-18  8:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18  9:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18  9:41                                 ` Kevin Shanahan
2009-01-18 14:00                                 ` Kevin Shanahan
2009-01-18  9:39                               ` Kevin Shanahan
2009-01-18  9:55                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 10:36                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-17 12:59                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 15:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-18 14:08                 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18 15:28                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-18 18:54                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-21 12:40                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-17 16:28             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17  8:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-10-28 12:23 [GIT PULL] Scheduler changes for v6.7 Ingo Molnar
2024-01-08 14:07 ` [GIT PULL] Scheduler changes for v6.8 Ingo Molnar
2024-01-10 22:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-10 22:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-10 22:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-11 11:09         ` [GIT PULL] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2024-01-11 13:04           ` Vincent Guittot
2023-10-21 15:28 Ingo Molnar
2023-10-21 18:29 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-14 22:02 Ingo Molnar
2023-10-14 22:49 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-08  9:32 Ingo Molnar
2023-10-08 18:06 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-09-17 17:39 Ingo Molnar
2023-09-17 18:24 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-09-02 10:09 Ingo Molnar
2023-09-02 16:13 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-02-17  7:42 Ingo Molnar
2023-02-17 22:47 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-01-12 14:25 Ingo Molnar
2023-01-12 23:01 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-08-06 19:21 Ingo Molnar
2022-08-07  0:50 ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-07-11 13:32 Ingo Molnar
2021-07-11 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-11 18:22 ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-06-12 13:02 Ingo Molnar
2021-06-12 19:09 ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-05-15  7:50 Ingo Molnar
2021-05-15 17:55 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-08-15 11:27 Ingo Molnar
2020-08-16  1:55 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-07-25 10:47 Ingo Molnar
2020-07-25 22:30 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-04-25  9:28 Ingo Molnar
2020-04-25 19:30 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-02-15  9:44 Ingo Molnar
2020-02-15 21:25 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-12-21 16:19 Ingo Molnar
2019-12-21 18:55 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-11-16 21:37 Ingo Molnar
2019-11-16 22:44 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-11-17  0:10   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-17  9:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-17  9:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-17 10:19     ` Valentin Schneider
2019-11-17 10:29       ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-17 16:29       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-17 20:43         ` Valentin Schneider
2019-11-18  8:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-01 17:55 Ingo Molnar
2019-11-01 19:10 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-11-02  0:15 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-10-12 14:58 Ingo Molnar
2019-10-12 22:35 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-09-28 12:39 Ingo Molnar
2019-09-28 20:50 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-09-30 23:45 ` John Stultz
2019-10-01  7:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-01 18:15     ` John Stultz
2019-10-01 20:39       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-09-05  8:02 Ingo Molnar
2019-09-05 21:15 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-04-20  7:33 Ingo Molnar
2019-04-20 19:25 ` pr-tracker-bot
2018-11-03 23:52 Ingo Molnar
2018-11-04  1:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-10-20  8:45 Ingo Molnar
2018-10-20 13:28 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-05  9:50 Ingo Molnar
2018-10-05 23:06 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2018-07-21 12:49 Ingo Molnar
2018-03-25  8:57 Ingo Molnar
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2011-04-04 15:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-04 16:08   ` Sisir Koppaka
2011-04-04 16:16   ` Andrew Morton
2011-04-04 19:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-05  8:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-25 13:22 Ingo Molnar
2011-02-03 15:54 Ingo Molnar
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2011-01-20 20:21 Ingo Molnar
2011-01-07 17:00 Ingo Molnar
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2010-12-20 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-26 13:17 Ingo Molnar
2010-11-16 23:10 Ingo Molnar
2010-10-29  8:35 Ingo Molnar
2010-09-21 19:46 Ingo Molnar
2010-09-11  8:34 Ingo Molnar
2010-08-25 12:00 Ingo Molnar
2010-06-02 12:21 Ingo Molnar
2010-04-04 10:11 Ingo Molnar
2010-03-26 15:23 Ingo Molnar
2010-03-13 16:42 Ingo Molnar
2010-01-31 17:28 Ingo Molnar
2010-01-21 15:35 Ingo Molnar
2009-12-21 18:07 Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 18:55 Ingo Molnar
2009-12-12  6:15 Ingo Molnar
2009-11-10 17:43 Ingo Molnar
2009-11-04 15:54 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-23 14:43 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-13 18:23 Ingo Molnar
2009-09-28 17:15 Linux 2.6.32-rc1 Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-28 18:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-09-29 20:42   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-09-29 21:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-29 21:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-29 21:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-30 15:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-30 15:57             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-09-30 16:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-30 18:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-30 22:03                   ` [GIT PULL] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  0:42                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01  0:57                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01  5:30                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-01  6:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  6:18                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-01  6:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  6:59                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-01  7:28                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-10-02 16:40                         ` Yuhong Bao
2009-10-01  6:05                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-21 13:05 Ingo Molnar
2009-08-04 19:07 Ingo Molnar
2009-06-20 17:00 Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 14:27 Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-18 16:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-18 17:09       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 19:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 19:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-18 20:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 22:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-19 12:27                 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-24 16:13                 ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-24 18:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-24 19:13                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-25  5:16                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-24 18:34                   ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-24 19:15                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-25  2:53                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  4:45                       ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-25  5:15                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  5:54                           ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-25  8:47                           ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-25 11:25                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 11:37                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-25 11:41                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 11:44                                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-25 15:01                                     ` Matt Mackall
2009-05-25 16:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-25 18:39                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-25 19:14                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-25 19:13                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26  1:50                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-26  7:38                                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 12:06                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-28 12:12                                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 12:24                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26  7:33                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 12:04                                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-25 12:12                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 14:55                             ` Matt Mackall
2009-05-25 14:58                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26 17:19                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-28 12:14                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26 14:27                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-25  4:52                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25  5:05                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  5:13                         ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-25  5:19                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-25  7:16                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-17  0:59 Ingo Molnar
2009-04-09 15:41 Ingo Molnar
2009-03-03 21:02 [git pull] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-11 14:41 Ingo Molnar
2009-02-01 15:43 Ingo Molnar
2009-01-30 23:09 Ingo Molnar
2009-01-31 17:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-31 17:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-31 17:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-31 17:49     ` Alexey Zaytsev
2009-01-31 17:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-31 21:43         ` Alexey Zaytsev
2009-01-31 22:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-31 18:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-31 21:21         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-31 22:19           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-02  9:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-04 22:28         ` Alexey Zaytsev
2009-02-05  0:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 22:08 [GIT PULL] " Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 23:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-15 23:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 23:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 16:16 [git pull] " Ingo Molnar
2008-12-10 22:14 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-29 19:53 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-18 14:17 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-12 20:30 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-11 18:25 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-07 16:29 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-05 18:56 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-30 23:31 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 10:50 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-15 16:47 Ingo Molnar
2008-09-23 19:35 Ingo Molnar
2008-09-17  9:58 Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 20:06 Ingo Molnar
2008-09-05 18:49 Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:43 Ingo Molnar
2008-08-25 17:37 Ingo Molnar
2008-08-22 12:25 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-31 21:43 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-31 22:04 ` David Miller
2008-07-31 22:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-31 22:55     ` David Miller
2008-08-01  8:11       ` David Miller
2008-08-01  9:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-01  9:13           ` David Miller
2008-07-24 15:12 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-01 20:36 Toralf Förster
2008-07-01 19:58 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-30 15:31 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-30 17:39 ` Dhaval Giani
2008-06-30 18:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-23 19:43 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-19 15:14 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-12 19:18 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-29 15:45 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 12:21 AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 14:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 15:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  2:44     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08  3:29       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  4:08         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08  4:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 12:01             ` [patch] speed up / fix the new generic semaphore code (fix AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1) Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 12:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 14:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:10                   ` [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-08 15:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 19:42                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-11 11:03                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:14                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:48                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 12:50                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 12:52                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:02                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:26                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:18                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:42                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:48                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 15:19                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 15:29                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:11                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 14:21                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:42                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 15:28                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 17:13                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 17:22                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-13 21:05                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:54                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:22                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:32                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:46                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 16:47                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-11 13:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:06                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:10                       ` Sven Wegener
2008-05-05 22:58 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-06  0:14 ` David Miller
2008-05-06  0:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-19  3:49 Ingo Molnar
2008-03-15  1:47 Ingo Molnar
2008-03-11 15:48 Ingo Molnar
2008-03-11 22:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-12  1:22   ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-07 15:56 Ingo Molnar
2008-03-04 17:07 Ingo Molnar
2008-02-25 15:45 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-18 14:38 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-07 18:21 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04  5:08 Linux 2.6.24-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2007-12-04 14:07 ` [local DoS] " Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 15:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-04 16:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 16:18       ` [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 16:40         ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 18:28         ` Greg KH
2007-12-04 18:41           ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 21:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-28 15:10 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-26 20:35 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 20:09 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-09 22:06 Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 20:39 Ingo Molnar
2007-10-18 19:37 Ingo Molnar
2007-10-17 14:29 Ingo Molnar
2007-10-17 14:59 ` Ingo Molnar

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