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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: dada1@cosmosbay.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	shemminger@vyatta.com, zbr@ioremap.net, peterz@infradead.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, jarkao2@gmail.com,
	paulus@samba.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kaber@trash.net,
	jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	jengelh@medozas.de, r000n@r000n.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU r**ursive lock {XV}
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:40:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428124033.GA1655@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090428.045342.206106171.davem@davemloft.net>


* David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:

> From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:58:05 +0200
> 
> > I am not sure my day job will permit me to polish a patch mixing all
> > the bits and comments. But I am glad we eventually got back spinlocks
> > which are probably better than rwlocks for implementing this stuff.
> > 
> > Instead of submitting a full patch again, we could first submit a new
> >  include file containg all comments and inline functions ?
> > 
> > This include file could be local to netfilter, with a big stick on
> > it to forbids its use on other areas (No changes in Documentation/ )
> > 
> > Then, as soon as we can go back to pure RCU solution, we can 
> > safely delete this controversial-locking-nesting-per-cpu-thing ?
> 
> I say we merge Linus's locking idea into the XV patch, fixup the 
> commit message wording, and move on with life.
> 
> For something that's going to get deleted as soon as the faster 
> grace period RCU stuff is available, it has consumed an inordinate 
> amount of our time :-)

One more reason to factor out this code into general locking code.

The latest code looks a bit similar to the old big-reader-locks hack 
(which got dropped for good many eons ago and with which i deny any 
involvement with, such as having authored it. [oh, did i say that 
out loud? crap.]), implemented cleanly and properly.

IMHO this locking construct should be considered for 
linux/local_lock.h and kernel/local_lock.c. Even if the netfilter 
code drops its use soon afterwards ;-)

[ The _only_ thing i am worried about is the apparent fact that
  there's so much confusion about recursion versus read-access.
  Recursion might be hard to factor out of the netfilter code, and
  maybe it's not even possible realistically (we fought years with
  the BKL and are still fighting it) but if its harms are not even
  _realized_ that difficult task turns into an impossible task ;-) ]

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-10  9:15 iptables very slow after commit784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 Jeff Chua
2009-04-10 16:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11  1:07   ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-11  1:25   ` David Miller
2009-04-11  1:39     ` iptables very slow after commit 784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  4:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11  5:14         ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-11  5:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11  6:00           ` David Miller
2009-04-11 18:12             ` Kyle Moffett
2009-04-11 18:32               ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2009-04-12  0:54               ` david
2009-04-12  5:05                 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-04-12 12:30                 ` Harald Welte
2009-04-12 16:38             ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-11 15:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 16:05             ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-11 17:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  7:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-11 15:05           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 17:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-12 10:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-12 11:34             ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-12 17:31               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-13  1:13                 ` David Miller
2009-04-13  4:04                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-13 16:53                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 17:40                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-13 18:11                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 19:06                       ` Martin Josefsson
2009-04-13 19:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 22:24                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-13 23:20                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 23:26                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-13 23:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 23:52                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 12:27                       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-14 14:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 14:45                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 15:49                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 16:51                               ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-14 18:17                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v2) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 19:28                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 21:11                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 21:13                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 21:40                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-15 10:59                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-15 16:31                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 20:55                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 21:07                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-15 21:55                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-16 12:12                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 12:24                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-16 12:31                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-15 21:57                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu rwlock rather than RCU (v4) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 23:48                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) David Miller
2009-04-16  0:01                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16  0:05                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-16 12:28                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16  0:10                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:45                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock and RCU (v5) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16  5:01                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 13:53                                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 14:47                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 16:10                                                             ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive spinlock (v6) Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 16:20                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 16:37                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16 16:59                                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 17:58                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 18:41                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 20:49                                                                   ` [PATCH[] netfilter: use per-cpu reader-writer lock (v0.7) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16 21:02                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16 23:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17  0:13                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive spinlock (v6) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 13:11                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 22:33                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-16 23:49                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 23:52                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: per-cpu spin-lock with recursion (v0.8) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-17  0:15                                                             ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-17  5:55                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17  6:03                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17  6:14                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17 17:08                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 11:17                                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-17  1:28                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  2:19                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17  5:05                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  5:44                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17 14:51                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  4:50                                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-17  5:08                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  5:16                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17  5:40                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  8:07                                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-17 15:00                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17 17:22                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 17:32                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17  6:12                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 16:33                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17 16:51                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 21:29                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-18  9:40                                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-18 14:14                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 17:34                                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v10) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 18:21                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 18:25                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-20 20:32                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 20:42                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 21:05                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 21:23                                                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-20 21:58                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 22:41                                                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-20 23:01                                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v11) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  3:41                                                                             ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  3:56                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21  4:15                                                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  5:22                                                                                 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  5:45                                                                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  6:52                                                                                     ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  8:16                                                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-21  8:42                                                                                         ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  8:49                                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-04-21  8:55                                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21  9:22                                                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-21  9:34                                                                                           ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  5:34                                                                                 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  4:59                                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21 16:37                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-21  5:46                                                                             ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21 16:13                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 16:43                                                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21 16:50                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 18:02                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 18:15                                                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21 19:10                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 19:46                                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22  7:35                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22  8:53                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 10:13                                                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 11:26                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 11:39                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 11:18                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 15:19                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-22 16:57                                                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 17:18                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-22 20:46                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 17:48                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 21:04                                                                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-22  8:00                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 19:39                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 21:39                                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v13) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-22  4:17                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-22 14:57                                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 15:32                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-24  4:09                                                                                       ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive lock {XIV} Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-24  4:58                                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-24 15:33                                                                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-24 16:18                                                                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-24 20:43                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-25 20:30                                                                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: iptables no lockdep is needed Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-26  8:18                                                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-26 18:24                                                                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive lock {XV} Eric Dumazet
2009-04-26 18:56                                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-26 21:57                                                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-26 22:32                                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-27 17:44                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-27 18:30                                                                                                         ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU r**ursive " Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 18:54                                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27 19:06                                                                                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 19:46                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 19:48                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 20:36                                                                                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-27 20:58                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 21:40                                                                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 22:24                                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:01                                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:03                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28  6:58                                                                                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-28 11:53                                                                                                                               ` David Miller
2009-04-28 12:40                                                                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-28 13:43                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-28 13:52                                                                                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-28 14:37                                                                                                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-28 14:49                                                                                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-28 15:00                                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-04-28 16:24                                                                                                                                             ` [PATCH] netfilter: revised locking for x_tables Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-28 16:50                                                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28 16:55                                                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-29  5:37                                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-30  3:26                                                                                                                                                     ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-30  3:31                                                                                                                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-28 15:42                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU r**ursive lock {XV} Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28 17:35                                                                                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-28 15:09                                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:32                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28  7:41                                                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28 14:22                                                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28  7:42                                                                                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-26 19:31                                                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-26 20:55                                                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-26 21:39                                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-21 18:34                                                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v11) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-21 20:14                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-20 23:44                                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v10) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16  0:02                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  6:26                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 14:33                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-15  3:23                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-14 17:19                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 15:50         ` iptables very slow after commit 784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 17:43           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11 18:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12  0:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-12  7:23             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-12 16:06             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-12 17:30               ` Paul E. McKenney

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