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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] module: __rcu annotations
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:10:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201002251910.34938.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100225170653.GA5715@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Thursday 25 February 2010, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > 
> > The nice thing about this is that we don't end up with the API explosion
> > for the RCU list primitives.  However, it does require that a given
> > rcu_list_head have a single synchronization-design rule for all uses.
> > Of course, if there were multiple rules, one could construct a check
> > that was simply the union of all the rules, but that would miss some
> > types of errors.

What would it miss? E.g. having the module code check for
(mutex_is_locked(&module_lock) || rcu_read_lock_held) should
cover all cases as far as I can tell.

> > Of course, if this became a problem, there could be an argument to the
> > ->check function that the normal list_for_each_entry_rcu() defaults to
> > "no effect".

I've also been thinking about adding a list_for_each_entry_norcu()
macro that takes an rcu_list_head but then just performs a simple
list_for_each_entry().

> > Or is there a better way to handle this?
> 
> One approach would be to use your original sparse-based approach, but
> use an rcu_deference_const(ptr,lockdep_condition) for cases when the
> value cannot change, for example, when the update-side lock is held.
> This should eliminate most of the false positives, in particular,
> eliminate the need for otherwise-useless rcu_read_lock()s  -- and also
> for the compiler constraints in the normal rcu_dereference().

Right.

> Your pointer-to-function idea could be a really cool way to handle the
> tree algorithms that can be protected either by RCU or by locking.
> The tree nodes could have the pointer to check function, and the
> current rcu_dereference_raw() calls could be replaced by an invocation
> of rcu_dereference_check() that calls the check function.  A check
> function for an RCU-protected tree would use "rcu_read_lock_held() ||
> lockdep_is_held(&update_side_lock)", while a lock-protected tree would
> just use "lockdep_is_held(&update_side_lock)".

I've postponed that problem for now, and updated my series to split
the rculist annotations from the basic __rcu pointer annotations,
as well as to apply on top of your patches in tip/core/rcu,
see http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/arnd/playground.git;\
a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/rcu-annotate-tip.

Should we merge the simple annotations in this merge window and
then think about rculist and trees separately?

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-25 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-23  1:04 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] rcu: introduce lockdep-based checking to RCU read-side primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Introduce " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/21] rcu: add lockdep-enabled variants of rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/21] rcu: integrate rcu_dereference_check() message into lockdep Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Integrate " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/21] rcu: disable lockdep checking in RCU list-traversal primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:10   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Disable " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/21] net: add checking to rcu_dereference() primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:10   ` [tip:core/rcu] net: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/21] sched: use lockdep-based checking on rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched: Use " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 11:06   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched, cgroups: Fix module export tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/21] sched: better name for for_each_domain_rd Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched: Better " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/21] vfs: apply lockdep-based checking to rcu_dereference() uses Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] vfs: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/21] vfs: abstract rcu_dereference_check for files-fdtable use Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] vfs: Abstract " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/21] radix-tree: disable RCU lockdep checking in radix tree Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] radix-tree: Disable " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/21] idr: apply lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() uses Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] idr: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/21] security: apply lockdep-based checking " Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] security: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/21] rcu: documentation update for CONFIG_PROVE_RCU Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Documentation " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/21] rcu: fix citation of Mathieu's dissertation Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/21] rcu: accelerate grace period if last non-dynticked CPU Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Accelerate " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/21] rcu: use canonical URL for Mathieu's dissertation Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Use " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/21] rcu: stop overflowing signed integers Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Stop " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/21] rcu: Convert to raw_spinlocks Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/21] rcu: fix deadlock in TREE_PREEMPT_RCU CPU stall detection Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/21] rcu: fix rcutorture mod_timer argument to delay one jiffy Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] rcu: add RCU_CPU_STALL_VERBOSE to dump detailed per-task information Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:15   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 12:59 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 13:15   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-23 14:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 15:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 16:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 17:15         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 18:01           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 00/10] __rcu annotations, first draft Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 22:18               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 01/10] rcu: define __rcu address space modifier for sparse Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:12               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-24 20:22                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 02/10] rcu: annotated list rcu code Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:15               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-24 20:32                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 03/10] cgroups: __rcu annotations Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 04/10] credentials: rcu annotation Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 05/10] perf_event: __rcu annotations Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 06/10] audit: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 07/10] module: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:13               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-02-24 20:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 22:17                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 23:07                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 23:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 17:06                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 18:10                           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2010-02-25 20:05                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-26  2:12                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 08/10] pid: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 09/10] notifiers: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 10/10] scheduler: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 13:28   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 10:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 12:04     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 18:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 21:36         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 21:22       ` Ingo Molnar

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