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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Corey Ashford <cjashfor@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
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	"Gary.Mohr@Bull.com" <Gary.Mohr@bull.com>,
	"arjan@linux.intel.com" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: [rfc] Describe events in a structured way via sysfs
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:40:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100521094053.GA4658@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1274429038.1674.1684.camel@laptop>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 16:12 -0700, Greg KH wrote:

> > How deep in the device tree are you really going to be 
> > caring about?  It sounds like the large majority of 
> > events are only going to be coming from the "system" 
> > type objects (cpu, nodes, memory, etc.) and very few 
> > would be from things that we consider a 'struct 
> > device' today (like a pci, usb, scsi, or input, etc.)
> 
> The general noise I hear from the hardware people is 
> that we'll see more and more device-level stuff - bus 
> bridges/controller and actual devices (GPUs, NICs etc.) 
> will be wanting to export performance metrics.

There's (much) more:

 - laptops want to provide power level/usage metrics,

 - we could express a lot of special, lower level 
   (transport specific) disk IO stats via events as well - 
   without having to push those stats to a higher level 
   (where it might not make sense). Currently such kinds
   of stats/metrics are very device/subsystem specific 
   way, if they are provided at all.

Also, we already have quite a few per device tracepoints 
upstream. Here are a few examples:

 - GPU tracepoints (trace_i915_gem_request_submit(), etc.)
 - WIFI tracepoints (trace_iwlwifi_dev_ioread32(), etc.)
 - block tracepoints (trace_block_bio_complete())

So these would be attached to:

  # GEM events of drm/card0:
  /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/events/i915_gem_request_submit/

  # Wifi-ioread events of wlan0:
  /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:03:00.0/net/wlan0/events/iwlwifi_dev_ioread32/

  # whole sdb disk events:
  /sys/block/sdb/events/block_bio_complete/

  # sdb1 partition events:
  /sys/block/sdb/sdb1/events/block_bio_complete/

And we also have 'software nodes' in /sys that have events 
upstream here and today. For example for SLAB we already 
have kmalloc/kfree tracepoints (trace_kmalloc() and 
trace_kfree()):

  # all kmalloc events:
  /sys/kernel/slab/events/

  # kmalloc events for sighand_cache:
  /sys/kernel/slab/sighand_cache/events/kmalloc/

  # kfree events for sighand_cache:
  /sys/kernel/slab/sighand_cache/events/kfree/

In general the set of events we have upstream is growing 
along an exponential curve (there's over a hundred now, 
via tracepoints).

They are either logically attached to the hardware 
topology of the system (as in the first set of examples 
above), or ae attached to the software/subsystem object 
topology of the kernel (some examples of which are 
described in the second set of examples above).

Sometimes there are aliasing/filtering relationship 
between events, which is expressed very well via the 
hierarchy and granularity of /sysfs.

New events would go into that topology there in a natural 
way.

For example general hugepage tracepoints (should we 
introduce any) would go into the existing hugepage node:

  /sys/kernel/mm/hugepages/events/...

All in one, all these existing and future events, both of 
hardware and software type, are literally begging to be 
attached to nodes in /sys :-)

If we created a separate eventfs for it we'd have to start 
with duplicating all the topology/hiearchy/structure that 
is present in sysfs already. (and dilluting /sys's 
utility)

That would be a bad thing, so it would be nice if we found 
a workable solution here. We could split up the record 
format some more:

 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/common_type/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/common_flags/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/common_preempt_count/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/common_pid/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/common_lock_depth/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/comm/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/pid/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/prio/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/success/
 /sys/kernel/sched/events/sched_wakeup/format/target_cpu/

Into single-value files. But this would add significant 
parsing overhead (plus significant allocation overhead), 
for no tangible benefit.

The problem with /proc was always the lack of standard 
structure and the lack of performance - while the format 
file is about _more_ structure.

Increasing structure parsing overhead does not look like 
the right answer to that problem.

Hm?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-21  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19  1:46 [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus via sysfs Lin Ming
2010-05-18 20:05 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:34   ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  2:48     ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  3:40       ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  5:00         ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  6:32           ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  7:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-20 18:42         ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 19:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-20 20:19             ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 20:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 23:12             ` Greg KH
2010-05-21  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-21  9:40                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTinJeYJtCg2aRWhHTcf5E2-dN2-oAfEJ8tAtFjb9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-01  2:34                     ` [rfc] Describe events in a structured way " Lin Ming
2010-06-08 18:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTimf1Z0N9cv2Pu2qTTUscn4utC37zOPelCbqQoPv@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-21  8:55                     ` Lin Ming
     [not found]                       ` <1277112858.3618.16.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
     [not found]                         ` <1277187920.4467.3.camel@minggr.sh.intel.com>
     [not found]                           ` <1277189971.3637.5.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
2010-06-22  7:22                             ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:33                               ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:39                                 ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  8:04                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  8:16                                     ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:47                                 ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:52                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24  9:36                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-24 16:14                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24 17:33                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  6:15                                       ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29  8:55                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  9:20                                           ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29 10:26                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-02  8:06                                               ` Lin Ming
2010-07-03 12:54                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-17  0:20                                                 ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20  5:48                                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-07-20 15:19                                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 17:50                                                       ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 18:30                                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 21:18                                                           ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 17:43                                                     ` Corey Ashford
2010-05-19  7:06     ` [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus " Borislav Petkov
2010-05-19  7:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-19  7:23         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 20:07 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:37   ` Lin Ming

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