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From: Bruno Randolf <br1@einfach.org>
To: Jouni Malinen <j@w1.fi>
Cc: linville@tuxdriver.com, randy.dunlap@oracle.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, blp@cs.stanford.edu,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lars_Ericsson@telia.com, stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	kevin.granade@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/3] nl80211/mac80211: Report signal average
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:28:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201011171728.06801.br1@einfach.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101116093743.GA21872@jm.kir.nu>

On Tue November 16 2010 18:37:43 Jouni Malinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:00:35PM +0900, Bruno Randolf wrote:
> > Extend nl80211 to report an exponential weighted moving average (EWMA) of
> > the signal value. Since the signal value usually fluctuates between
> > different packets, an average can be more useful than the value of the
> > last packet.
> > 
> > This uses the recently added generic EWMA library function.
> 
> Isn't that generic EWMA library function making this much more CPU
> intensive than necessary? I would assume the compiler is not able to
> optimize the unsigned long division in ewma_add() when the weight value
> is "hidden" in this way through ewma_init() call. While generic library
> functions can be nice, it could be useful to have an option for using an
> inline version of ewma_add that takes in avg->weight as one of the
> arguments to allow cases like weight=8 here to be implemented using
> shift right instead of unsigned long division especially when done on
> hot path..
> 
> > @@ -1158,6 +1158,7 @@ ieee80211_rx_h_sta_process(struct ieee80211_rx_data
> > *rx)
> > 
> >  	sta->last_signal = status->signal;
> > 
> > +	ewma_add(&sta->avg_signal, -status->signal);
> 
> This one here would be done for every frame received and by using a
> function call that ends up doing a potentially expensive division.
> 
> > @@ -241,6 +241,8 @@ struct sta_info *sta_info_alloc(struct
> > ieee80211_sub_if_data *sdata, +	ewma_init(&sta->avg_signal, 1000, 8);
> 
> The divisor (weight) is set to 8 here which should allow for quite a bit
> more efficient ewma_add implementation if it were to be done in a way
> that makes it easier for the compiler to see what value is being used
> (e.g., passing this 8 to ewma_add_inline()) to allow shift right to be
> used..
> 
> 
> Or am I missing something here and we have a compiler that is actually
> able to take care of this kind of optimizations by itself in the current
> ewma library design? Or is the unsigned long division with the expected
> weight values going to be fast enough to not justify caring about it
> even on any of the embedded boards anyway?

I understand that this could be more efficient, but if it matters or not - 
honestly, I don't know. Can a more knowledgeable person than me comment on 
this?

bruno

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-17  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-12  3:00 [PATCH v7 0/3] Generic exponentially weighted moving average (EWMA) Bruno Randolf
2010-11-12  3:00 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] Add generic exponentially weighted moving average (EWMA) function Bruno Randolf
2010-11-12  3:00 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] ath5k: Use generic EWMA library Bruno Randolf
2010-11-12  3:00 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] nl80211/mac80211: Report signal average Bruno Randolf
2010-11-16  9:37   ` Jouni Malinen
2010-11-17  8:28     ` Bruno Randolf [this message]
2010-11-17 16:16       ` Johannes Berg
2010-11-17 23:11         ` Bob Copeland
2010-11-19  8:49           ` Bruno Randolf
2010-11-19 14:04             ` Stefan Richter
2010-11-22  2:41               ` Bruno Randolf
2010-11-22  7:26                 ` Stefan Richter
2010-11-19 17:52             ` Johannes Berg
2010-11-22  2:36               ` Bruno Randolf
2010-11-19  9:07           ` Bruno Randolf
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 22:28             ` Bob Copeland
2010-11-19 23:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-02  8:12                 ` Bruno Randolf
2010-11-19 18:58     ` Johannes Berg
2010-11-22 18:46       ` John W. Linville

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