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From: Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Trinabh Gupta <trinabh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	arjan@linux.intel.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	suresh.b.siddha@intel.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	venki@google.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sfr@canb.auug.org.au,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V4 2/5] cpuidle: list based cpuidle driver registration and selection
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:22:00 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110324165200.GC16408@dirshya.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D8B5197.2060306@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

* Trinabh Gupta <trinabh@linux.vnet.ibm.com> [2011-03-24 19:43:43]:


[snip]

> >>But we also have to replace the functionality provided by pm_idle,
> >>i.e. call default_idle for platforms where no better idle routine
> >>exists, call mwait for pre-nehalem platforms, use intel_idle or
> >>acpi_idle for nehalem architectures etc. To manage all this
> >>we need a registration mechanism which is conveniently provided
> >>by cpuidle.
> >
> >It isn't immediately clear to me that all of these options
> >need to be preserved.
> 
> So what do you suggest can be removed?

Can we use safe_halt() until intel_idle/acpi_idle take over? But what
if they do not take over?  If safe_halt() is not very bad compared to
the variants like mwait_idle and c1e_idle, then we can remove the old
code and no need to move them to default driver.

> >Are we suggesting that x86 must always build with cpuidle?
> >I'm sure that somebody someplace will object to that.
> 
> Arjan argued that since almost everyone today runs cpuidle
> it may be best to include it in the kernel
> (https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/20/243). But yes, we agreed
> that we would have to make cpuidle lighter incrementally.
> Making ladder governor optional could be one way for example.
> >
> >OTOH, if cpuidle is included, I'd like to see the
> >non-cpuidle code excluded, since nobody will run it...

The non-cpuidle code will be the select_idle_routine() and related
function that cam move to default_driver that register to cpuidle.
We can load on-demand as module if better routines fail to register.
Maybe we don't need this at all as discussed in the above point?

--Vaidy

[snip]


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-24 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-22 12:32 [RFC PATCH V4 0/5] cpuidle: Cleanup pm_idle and include driver/cpuidle.c in-kernel Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-22 12:32 ` [RFC PATCH V4 1/5] cpuidle: Remove pm_idle pointer for x86 Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23  1:00   ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-03-23 10:10     ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-22 12:32 ` [RFC PATCH V4 2/5] cpuidle: list based cpuidle driver registration and selection Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23  2:59   ` Len Brown
2011-03-23  9:22     ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23 20:51       ` Len Brown
2011-03-24  4:41         ` Len Brown
2011-03-24 14:13         ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-24 16:52           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan [this message]
2011-03-25  7:13             ` Len Brown
2011-03-25  7:05           ` Len Brown
2011-03-25 15:35             ` [Xen-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-03-31  2:25               ` Len Brown
2011-03-22 12:33 ` [RFC PATCH V4 3/5] cpuidle: default idle driver for x86 Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23  3:13   ` Len Brown
2011-03-23  9:31     ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-24 16:32       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-03-22 12:33 ` [RFC PATCH V4 4/5] cpuidle: driver for xen Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-22 14:50   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-03-23  9:57     ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-24  7:18       ` Len Brown
2011-03-24 12:05         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-03-25  7:19           ` Len Brown
2011-03-25 14:43             ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-25 14:38           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-31  2:02             ` Len Brown
2011-03-31 21:26               ` Len Brown
2011-03-31 22:36                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-04-01  3:03                   ` Len Brown
2011-03-22 12:33 ` [RFC PATCH V4 5/5] cpuidle: cpuidle driver for apm Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23  1:14   ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-03-23 10:25     ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-23 20:32       ` Len Brown
2011-03-24 14:28         ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-24 16:21           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-03-25  7:24           ` Len Brown
2011-03-25 18:01             ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-03-31  2:17               ` cpuidle asymmetry (was Re: [RFC PATCH V4 5/5] cpuidle: cpuidle driver for apm) Len Brown
2011-03-31 13:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-01  4:09                   ` Len Brown
2011-04-01  8:15                     ` Dipankar Sarma
2011-04-01 14:38                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2011-04-03 16:18                         ` Dipankar Sarma
2011-04-01 14:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-04 14:32                       ` Dipankar Sarma
2011-04-05 15:01                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:48                           ` Dipankar Sarma
2011-04-01  7:02                 ` Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-24  4:27   ` [RFC PATCH V4 5/5] cpuidle: cpuidle driver for apm Len Brown

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