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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Nai Xia <nai.xia@gmail.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] mm: Isolate pages for immediate reclaim on their own LRU
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:59:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111229165951.GA15729@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1112231039030.17640@eggly.anvils>

I was offline for several days for the holidays and I'm not back
online properly until Jan 4th, hence the delay in responding.

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:08:19AM -0800, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> Sorry, Mel, I've had to revert this patch (and its two little children)
> from my 3.2.0-rc6-next-20111222 testing: you really do need a page flag
> (or substitute) for your "immediate" lru.
> 

Don't be sorry at all. I prefer that this was caught before merging
to mainline and thanks for catching this.

> How else can a del_page_from_lru[_list]() know whether to decrement
> the count of the immediate or the inactive list? 

You are right, it cannot and because pages are removed from the
LRU list in contexts such as invalidating a mapping, we cannot be
sure whether a page is on the immediate LRU or inactive_file in all
cases. It is further complicated by the fact that PageReclaim and
PageReadhead use the same page flag.

> page_lru() says to
> decrement the count of the inactive list, so in due course that wraps
> to a gigantic number, and then page reclaim livelocks trying to wring
> pages out of an empty list.  It's the memcg case I've been hitting,
> but presumably the same happens with global counts.
> 

I've verified that the accounting can break. I did not see it wrap
negative because in my testing it was rare the problem occurred but it
would happen eventually.

I considered a few ways of fixing this. The obvious one is to add a
new page flag but that is difficult to justify as the high-cpu-usage
problem should only occur when there is a lot of writeback to slow
storage which I believe is a rare case. It is not a suitable use for
an extended page flag.

The second was to keep these PageReclaim pages off the LRU but this
leads to complications of its own.

The third was to use a combination of flags to mark pages that
are on the immediate LRU such as how PG_compound and PG_reclaim in
combination mark tail pages. This would not be free of races and would
eventually cause corruption. There is also the problem that we cannot
atomically set multiple bits so setting the bits in contexts such as
set_page_dirty() may be problematic.

Andrew, as there is not an easy uncontroversial fix can you remove
the following patches from mmotm please?

mm-isolate-pages-for-immediate-reclaim-on-their-own-lru.patch
mm-isolate-pages-for-immediate-reclaim-on-their-own-lru-fix.patch
mm-isolate-pages-for-immediate-reclaim-on-their-own-lru-fix-2.patch

The impact is that users writing to slow stage may see higher CPU usage
as the pages under writeback have to be skipped by scanning once the
dirty pages move to the end of the LRU list. I'm assuming once they
are removed from mmotm that they also get removed from linux-next.

> There is another such accounting bug in -next, been there longer and
> not so easy to hit: I'm fairly sure it will turn out to be memcg
> misaccounting a THPage somewhere, I'll have a look around shortly.
> 
> p.s. Immediate?  Isn't that an odd name for a list of pages which are
> not immediately freeable?  Maybe Rik's launder/laundry name would be
> better: pages which are currently being cleaned.

That is potentially very misleading as not all pages being laundered are
on that list. reclaim_writeback might be a better name.

Thanks.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-29 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-14 15:41 [PATCH 0/11] Reduce compaction-related stalls and improve asynchronous migration of dirty pages v6 Mel Gorman
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 01/11] mm: compaction: Allow compaction to isolate dirty pages Mel Gorman
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm: compaction: Use synchronous compaction for /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory Mel Gorman
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm: vmscan: Check if we isolated a compound page during lumpy scan Mel Gorman
2011-12-15 23:21   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 04/11] mm: vmscan: Do not OOM if aborting reclaim to start compaction Mel Gorman
2011-12-15 23:36   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 05/11] mm: compaction: Determine if dirty pages can be migrated without blocking within ->migratepage Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  3:32   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-16 23:20   ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-17  3:03     ` Nai Xia
2011-12-17  3:26       ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-19 11:05     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-19 13:12       ` nai.xia
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 06/11] mm: compaction: make isolate_lru_page() filter-aware again Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  3:34   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-18  1:53   ` Minchan Kim
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 07/11] mm: page allocator: Do not call direct reclaim for THP allocations while compaction is deferred Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  4:10   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 08/11] mm: compaction: Introduce sync-light migration for use by compaction Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  4:31   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-18  2:05   ` Minchan Kim
2011-12-19 11:45     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-20  7:18       ` Minchan Kim
2012-01-13 21:25   ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-16 11:33     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 09/11] mm: vmscan: When reclaiming for compaction, ensure there are sufficient free pages available Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  4:35   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 10/11] mm: vmscan: Check if reclaim should really abort even if compaction_ready() is true for one zone Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  4:38   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-16 11:29     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 11/11] mm: Isolate pages for immediate reclaim on their own LRU Mel Gorman
2011-12-16  4:47   ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-16 12:26     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-16 15:17   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-12-16 16:07     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-19 16:14       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-12-17 16:08   ` Minchan Kim
2011-12-19 13:26     ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-20  7:10       ` Minchan Kim
2011-12-20  9:55         ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-23 19:08           ` Hugh Dickins
2011-12-29 16:59             ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-12-29 19:31               ` Rik van Riel
2011-12-30 11:27                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-16 22:56 ` [PATCH 0/11] Reduce compaction-related stalls and improve asynchronous migration of dirty pages v6 Andrew Morton
2011-12-19 14:40   ` Mel Gorman
2011-12-16 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-19 14:20   ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-12-01 17:36 [PATCH 0/11] Reduce compaction-related stalls and improve asynchronous migration of dirty pages v5 Mel Gorman
2011-12-01 17:36 ` [PATCH 11/11] mm: Isolate pages for immediate reclaim on their own LRU Mel Gorman

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