From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] mm: memcg: per-memcg reclaim statistics
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:17:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120112091721.GH24386@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALWz4iy4hw9jQ++w4oiZG_hih-x9iieuEmnRBfxYKriAKSoOgw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 02:33:59PM -0800, Ying Han wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:54:05PM -0800, Ying Han wrote:
> >> Thank you for the patch and the stats looks reasonable to me, few
> >> questions as below:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> >> > With the single per-zone LRU gone and global reclaim scanning
> >> > individual memcgs, it's straight-forward to collect meaningful and
> >> > accurate per-memcg reclaim statistics.
> >> >
> >> > This adds the following items to memory.stat:
> >>
> >> Some of the previous discussions including patches have similar stats
> >> in memory.vmscan_stat API, which collects all the per-memcg vmscan
> >> stats. I would like to understand more why we add into memory.stat
> >> instead, and do we have plan to keep extending memory.stat for those
> >> vmstat like stats?
> >
> > I think they were put into an extra file in particular to be able to
> > write to this file to reset the statistics. But in my opinion, it's
> > trivial to calculate a delta from before and after running a workload,
> > so I didn't really like adding kernel code for that.
> >
> > Did you have another reason for a separate file in mind?
>
> Another reason I had them in separate file is easier to extend. I
> don't know if we have plan to have something like memory.vmstat, or
> just keep adding stuff into memory.stat. In general, I wanted to keep
> the memory.stat being reasonable size including only the basic
> statistics. In my existing vmscan_stat path, i have breakdowns of
> reclaim stats into file/anon which will make the memory.stat even
> larger.
Do you think it's a problem of presentation, where we want to allow
admins to figure out the memcg parameters at a glance when looking at
memory.stat but be able to debug malfunction by looking at the more
extensive vmstat file?
> >> > áReclaim activity from kswapd due to the memcg's own limit. áOnly
> >> > áapplicable to the root memcg for now since kswapd is only triggered
> >> > áby physical limits, but kswapd-style reclaim based on memcg hard
> >> > álimits is being developped.
> >> >
> >> > hierarchy_pgreclaim
> >> > hierarchy_pgscan
> >> > hierarchy_kswapd_pgreclaim
> >> > hierarchy_kswapd_pgscan
> >>
> >> "pgsteal_hierarchy"
> >> "pgsteal_kswapd_hierarchy"
> >> ..
> >>
> >> No strong option on the naming, but try to make it more consistent to
> >> existing API.
> >
> > I swear I tried, but the existing naming is pretty screwed up :(
> >
> > For example, pgscan_direct_* and pgscan_kswapd_* allow you to compare
> > scan rates of direct reclaim vs. kswapd reclaim. To get the total
> > number of pages reclaimed, you sum them up.
> >
> > On the other hand, pgsteal_* does not differentiate between direct
> > reclaim and kswapd, so to get direct reclaim numbers, you add up the
> > pgsteal_* counters and subtract kswapd_steal (notice the lack of pg?),
> > which is in turn not available at zone granularity.
>
> agree and that always confuses me.
I just have scripts that present it as 'Direct page reclaimed' and
'Kswapd page reclaimed' when evaluating data so I don't have to
remember anymore :-)
But I think the wish for consistency is a bit misguided when we end up
with something like pgpgin that means something completely different
in memcg than it does on the global level. Likewise, I don't want to
use pgsteal_* and pgsteal_kswapd_* because of their similarity to
/proc/vmstat while the numbers represent something different.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-12 9:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-10 15:02 [patch 0/2] mm: memcg reclaim integration followups Johannes Weiner
2012-01-10 15:02 ` [patch 1/2] mm: memcg: per-memcg reclaim statistics Johannes Weiner
2012-01-10 23:54 ` Ying Han
2012-01-11 0:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-11 22:33 ` Ying Han
2012-01-12 9:17 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2012-01-10 15:02 ` [patch 2/2] mm: memcg: hierarchical soft limit reclaim Johannes Weiner
2012-01-11 21:42 ` Ying Han
2012-01-12 8:59 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-13 21:31 ` Ying Han
2012-01-13 22:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-17 14:22 ` Sha
2012-01-17 14:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-17 20:25 ` Ying Han
2012-01-17 21:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-17 23:39 ` Ying Han
[not found] ` <CAFj3OHWY2Biw54gaGeH5fkxzgOhxn7NAibeYT_Jmga-_ypNSRg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-01-18 9:25 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-18 11:25 ` Sha
2012-01-18 15:27 ` Michal Hocko
2012-01-19 6:38 ` Sha
2012-01-12 1:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-01-13 12:16 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-18 5:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-01-13 12:04 ` Michal Hocko
2012-01-13 15:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-13 16:34 ` Michal Hocko
2012-01-13 21:45 ` Ying Han
2012-01-18 9:45 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-01-18 20:38 ` Ying Han
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