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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm-ppc <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Next gen kvm api
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:20:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120208172037.615a1fdd@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F3141E4.8080902@codemonkey.ws>

> >    register_pio_hook_ptr_r(PIO_IDE, SIZE_BYTE,&s->cmd[0]);
> >    for (i = 1; i<  7; i++) {
> >      register_pio_hook_ptr_r(PIO_IDE + i, SIZE_BYTE,&s->cmd[i]);
> >      register_pio_hook_ptr_w(PIO_IDE + i, SIZE_BYTE,&s->cmd[i]);
> >    }
> 
> You can't easily serialize updates to that address with the kernel since two 
> threads are likely going to be accessing it at the same time.  That either means 
> an expensive sync operation or a reliance on atomic instructions.

Who cares

If your API is right this isn't a problem (and for IDE the guess that it
won't happen you will win 99.999% of the time).

In fact IDE you can do even better in many cases because you'll get a
single rep outsw you can trap and shortcut.

> But not all architectures offer non-word sized atomic instructions so it gets 
> fairly nasty in practice.

Thats their problem. We don't screwup the fast paths because some
hardware vendor screwed up that bit of their implementation. That's
*their* problem not everyone elses.

So on x86 IDE should be about 10 outb traps that can be predicted, a rep
outsw which can be shortcut and a completion set of inb/inw ops that can
be predicted.

You should hit userspace about once per IDE operation. Fix the hot paths
with good design and the noise doesn't matter.

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-08 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-02 16:09 [RFC] Next gen kvm api Avi Kivity
     [not found] ` <CAB9FdM9M2DWXBxxyG-ez_5igT61x5b7ptw+fKfgaqMBU_JS5aA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-02-02 22:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Rob Earhart
2012-02-05 13:14   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 17:41     ` Rob Earhart
2012-02-06 19:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 12:03         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 16:02             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 16:18               ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-07 16:21                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 16:29                   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-15 13:41                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 16:19               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-15 13:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:01       ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-03  2:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-04  2:08   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-02-22 13:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-05  9:24   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07  1:08   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 12:24     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:51       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 13:16         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 13:40           ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 14:21             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 14:39               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 11:18                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 11:57                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 13:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 13:37                       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 13:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 14:08                           ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-16 19:24                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 19:34                               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-16 19:38                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 20:41                                   ` Scott Wood
2012-02-17  0:23                                     ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-17 18:27                                       ` Scott Wood
2012-02-18  9:49                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-17  0:19                                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-18 10:00                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-18 10:43                                       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 19:17                     ` Scott Wood
2012-02-12  7:10               ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-02-15 13:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:23             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 15:28               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-08 17:20               ` Alan Cox [this message]
2012-02-15 13:33               ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 22:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-02-10  3:07   ` Jamie Lokier
2012-02-03 18:07 ` Eric Northup
2012-02-03 22:52   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 19:46     ` Scott Wood
2012-02-07  6:58       ` Michael Ellerman
2012-02-07 10:04         ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 22:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-02-16  1:04             ` Michael Ellerman
2012-02-16 19:28               ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-17  0:09                 ` Michael Ellerman
2012-02-18 10:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 10:26             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 12:40         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:51           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 13:18             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:15               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 18:28                 ` Chris Wright
2012-02-08 17:02         ` Scott Wood
2012-02-08 17:12           ` Alan Cox
2012-02-05  9:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05  9:44   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05  9:51     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05  9:56       ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 10:58         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05 13:16           ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 16:36       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06  9:34         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 13:33           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 13:54             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 14:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 14:08                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 18:12           ` Rusty Russell
2012-02-15 13:39             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 21:59               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-16  8:57                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-16 14:46                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-16 19:34                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 23:08               ` Rusty Russell

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