From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
Kosaki Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>
Subject: Re: [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:11:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120209181141.GF22552@somewhere.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F33ED71.2090304@tilera.com>
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:59:45AM -0500, Chris Metcalf wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 10:52 AM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 10:29:57AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Some pinned timers might be able to get special treatment as well - take for
> >>>> example the vmstat work being schedule every second, what should we do with
> >>>> it for CPU isolation?
> >>> Right, I remember I saw these vmstat timers on my way when I tried to get 0
> >>> interrupts on a CPU.
> >>>
> >>> I think all these timers need to be carefully reviewed before doing anything.
> >>> But we certainly shouldn't adopt the behaviour of migrating timers by default.
> >>>
> >>> Some timers really needs to stay on the expected CPU. Note that some
> >>> timers may be shutdown by CPU hotplug callbacks. Those wouldn't be migrated
> >>> in case of CPU offlining. We need to keep them.
> >>>
> >>>> It makes sense to me to have that stop scheduling itself when we have the tick
> >>>> disabled for both idle and a nohz task.
> >> The vmstat timer only makes sense when the OS is doing something on the
> >> processor. Otherwise if no counters are incremented and the page and slab
> >> allocator caches are empty then there is no need to run the vmstat timer.
> > So this is a typical example of a timer we want to shutdown when the CPU is idle
> > but we want to keep it running when we run in adaptive tickless mode (ie: shutdown
> > the tick while the CPU is busy).
>
> We would want to stop the timer as long as the processor is running
> exclusively userspace code. Christoph's point is that in either the idle
> case or the userspace-only case, the vmstats won't be incrementing anyway.
> Presumably you'd restart the timer when you enter the kernel, then when it
> fires and does its work, you might notice that when you return to userspace
> no further information will be collected, so stop the timer at that point.
> Or, perhaps you could just proactively call refresh_cpu_vm_stats() just
> before stopping the tick and returning "permanently" to userspace, to make
> sure the stats are all properly updated.
Ah good point. I believe that many timers considered as deferrable during idle
may also be considered that way for userspace.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-09 18:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-26 10:01 [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 1/8] smp: introduce a generic on_each_cpu_mask function Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-29 12:24 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-31 6:33 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 2/8] arm: move arm over to generic on_each_cpu_mask Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 3/8] tile: move tile to use " Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 4/8] smp: add func to IPI cpus based on parameter func Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-27 23:57 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-29 12:04 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 5/8] slub: only IPI CPUs that have per cpu obj to flush Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 6/8] fs: only send IPI to invalidate LRU BH when needed Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:02 ` [v7 7/8] mm: only IPI CPUs to drain local pages if they exist Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-01-28 0:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-29 12:18 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-31 6:32 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 14:59 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-30 15:14 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 15:44 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-26 10:02 ` [v7 8/8] mm: add vmstat counters for tracking PCP drains Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:19 ` [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-29 8:25 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-01 17:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 8:46 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-02 15:41 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-05 11:46 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-10 18:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:13 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-10 20:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:39 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-10 18:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:33 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 21:50 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-15 22:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-15 23:44 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-21 1:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-01 18:27 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-10 18:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:24 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 15:19 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 21:51 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-02 16:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 16:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 15:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 15:59 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-09 18:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2012-02-09 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 18:32 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 17:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-01 17:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-02 9:42 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-01 18:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-01 20:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-01 20:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 9:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 15:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 17:23 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 17:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-05 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-09 15:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 16:05 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-09 18:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 23:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-10 1:39 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-14 13:18 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-21 0:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 17:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-05 12:06 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-06 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 15:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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