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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:29:38 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120814152938.GC14582@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120814074748.GE11194@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:47:48AM +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:24:52PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 01:48:39PM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> > > On 08/13/2012 12:21 PM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:43:01AM +0800, Wen Congyang wrote:
> > > >> We can know the guest is panicked when the guest runs on xen.
> > > >> But we do not have such feature on kvm.
> > > >>
> > > >> Another purpose of this feature is: management app(for example:
> > > >> libvirt) can do auto dump when the guest is panicked. If management
> > > >> app does not do auto dump, the guest's user can do dump by hand if
> > > >> he sees the guest is panicked.
> > > >>
> > > >> We have three solutions to implement this feature:
> > > >> 1. use vmcall
> > > >> 2. use I/O port
> > > >> 3. use virtio-serial.
> > > >>
> > > >> We have decided to avoid touching hypervisor. The reason why I choose
> > > >> choose the I/O port is:
> > > >> 1. it is easier to implememt
> > > >> 2. it does not depend any virtual device
> > > >> 3. it can work when starting the kernel
> > > > 
> > > > How about searching for the "Kernel panic - not syncing" string 
> > > > in the guests serial output? Say libvirtd could take an action upon
> > > > that?
> > > > 
> > > > Advantages:
> > > > - It works for all architectures.
> > > > - It does not depend on any virtual device.
> > > 
> > > But it _does_ depend on a serial console,
> > 
> > Which already exists and is supported.
> > 
> > >  and furthermore requires
> > > libvirt to tee the serial console (right now, libvirt can treat the
> > > console as an opaque pass-through to the end user, but if you expect
> > > libvirt to parse the serial console for a particular string, you've lost
> > > some efficiency).
> > > 
> > > > - It works as early as serial console output does (panics before
> > > > that should be rare).
> > > > - It allows you to see why the guest panicked.
> > > 
> > > I think your arguments for a serial console have already been made and
> > > refuted in earlier versions of this patch series, which is WHY this
> > > series is still applicable.
> > 
> > Refuted why, exactly? Efficiency to parse serial console output in
> > libvirt should not be a major issue surely?
> > 
> It is not zero config (guests do not send console output to serial by
> default). If vm users want to use serial for its working console panic
> notification will trigger every time user examines dmesg with "Kernel
> panic - not syncing" in it.

Ok, then it would have to be a dedicated serial console which starts
to become funny.

Use a simple virtio device, then, it starts early enough (or can be made
to) during kernel init for most relevant production panics, and works
for all architectures.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-14 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-08  2:43 [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:44 ` [PATCH v8 1/6] start vm after reseting it Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45 ` [PATCH v8 2/6] kvm: Update kernel headers Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:45 ` [PATCH v8 3/6] add a new runstate: RUN_STATE_GUEST_PANICKED Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:46 ` [PATCH v8 4/6] add a new qevent: QEVENT_GUEST_PANICKED Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  2:47 ` [PATCH v8 5/6] introduce a new qom device to deal with panicked event Wen Congyang
2012-08-08 19:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2012-08-22  7:30     ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-25  7:36       ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-08  2:47 ` [PATCH v8 6/6] allower the user to disable pv event support Wen Congyang
2012-08-08  9:12 ` [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Andrew Jones
2012-08-08  9:28   ` Wen Congyang
2012-08-13 18:21 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 19:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2012-08-13 20:24     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14  7:47       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14 15:29         ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2012-08-14 15:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-14  8:56   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-08-14 10:42     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 14:55       ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 15:01         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 15:42         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 18:53           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 19:19             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 19:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-14 20:53                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-14 22:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-15  0:25                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked\ Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-22  6:33                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8] kvm: notify host when the guest is panicked Wen Congyang
2012-08-15  9:56                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-15 11:42                   ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-15 11:38                 ` Yan Vugenfirer
2012-08-14 19:58             ` Peter Maydell

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