From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd craziness in 3.7
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:01:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121210180141.GK1009@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121210163904.GA22101@cmpxchg.org>
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:39:04AM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:03:37AM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:01:42PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, Zlatko Calusic wrote:
> > > > Or sooner... in short: nothing's changed!
> > > >
> > > > On a 4GB RAM system, where applications use close to 2GB, kswapd likes to keep
> > > > around 1GB free (unused), leaving only 1GB for page/buffer cache. If I force
> > > > bigger page cache by reading a big file and thus use the unused 1GB of RAM,
> > > > kswapd will soon (in a matter of minutes) evict those (or other) pages out and
> > > > once again keep unused memory close to 1GB.
> > >
> > > Ok, guys, what was the reclaim or kswapd patch during the merge window
> > > that actually caused all of these insane problems?
> >
> > I believe commit c6543459 (mm: remove __GFP_NO_KSWAPD) is the primary
> > candidate. __GFP_NO_KSWAPD was originally introduced by THP because kswapd
> > was excessively reclaiming. kswapd would stay awake aggressively reclaiming
> > even if compaction was deferred. The flag was removed in this cycle when it
> > was expected that it was no longer necessary. I'm not foisting the blame
> > on Rik here, I was on the review list for that patch and did not identify
> > that it would cause this many problems either.
> >
> > > It seems it was more
> > > fundamentally buggered than the fifteen-million fixes for kswapd we have
> > > already picked up.
> >
> > It was already fundamentally buggered up. The difference was it stayed
> > asleep for THP requests in earlier kernels.
> >
> > There is a big difference between a direct reclaim/compaction for THP
> > and kswapd doing the same work. Direct reclaim/compaction will try once,
> > give up quickly and defer requests in the near future to avoid impacting
> > the system heavily for THP. The same applies for khugepaged.
> >
> > kswapd is different. It can keep going until it meets its watermarks for
> > a THP allocation are met. Two reasons why it might keep going for a long
> > time are that compaction is being inefficient which we know it may be due
> > to crap like this
> >
> > end_pfn = ALIGN(low_pfn + pageblock_nr_pages, pageblock_nr_pages);
> >
> > and the second reason is if the highest zone is relatively because
> > compaction_suitable will keep saying that allocations are failing due to
> > insufficient amounts of memory in the highest zone. It'll reclaim a little
> > from this highest zone and then shrink_slab() potentially dumping a large
> > amount of memory. This may be the case for Zlatko as with a 4G machine
> > his ZONE_NORMAL could be small depending on how the 32-bit address space
> > is used by his hardware.
>
> Unlike direct reclaim, kswapd also never does sync migration. Since
> the fragmentation index is a ratio of free pages over free page
> blocks, doing lightweight compaction that reduces the page blocks but
> never really follows through to compact a THP block increases the free
> memory requirement.
>
True.
> I thought about the small Normal zone too. Direct reclaim/compaction
> is fine with one zone being able to provide a THP, but kswapd requires
> 25% of the node. A small ZONE_NORMAL would not be able to meet this
> and so the bigger DMA32 zone would also be required to be balanced for
> the THP allocation.
>
Also true.
> > > Mel? Ideas?
> >
> > Consider reverting the revert of __GFP_NO_KSWAPD again until this can be
> > ironed out at a more reasonable pace. Rik? Johannes?
>
> Yes, I also think we need more time for this.
>
Yes, the last minute band-aids are just getting worse and the result is
more mess.
> <SNIP>
>
> I don't see a shrink_slab() invocation after this point since the
> loop_again jumps in this loop where removed, so this shouldn't change
> anything?
/me slaps self
In this last-minute disaster, I'm not thinking properly at all any more. The
shrink slab disabling should have happened before the loop_again but even
then it's wrong because it's just covering over the problem.
The way order and testorder interact with how balanced is calculated means
that we potentially call shrink_slab() multiple times and that thing is
global in nature and basically uncontrolled. You could argue that we should
only call shrink_slab() if order-0 watermarks are not met but that will
not necessarily prevent kswapd reclaiming too much. It keeps going back
to balance_pgdat needing its list of requirements drawn up and receive
some major surgery and we're not going to do that as a quick hack.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-10 18:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-27 20:48 kswapd craziness in 3.7 Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:48 ` [patch] mm: vmscan: fix kswapd endless loop on higher order allocation Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:58 ` kswapd craziness in 3.7 Linus Torvalds
2012-11-27 21:16 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 21:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 22:02 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 22:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 23:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 10:13 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 10:51 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-28 16:42 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 22:52 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-28 23:54 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 0:14 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-29 15:30 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-29 17:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-30 12:39 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-01 0:45 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-03 8:30 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-03 13:08 ` Fedora repo (was: Re: kswapd craziness in 3.7) Borislav Petkov
2012-12-03 19:42 ` kswapd craziness in 3.7 Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 21:42 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-05 3:01 ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-06 17:37 ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-06 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-06 19:43 ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-06 20:23 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-06 20:32 ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-08 12:06 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-08 21:22 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-09 1:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-09 21:59 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-10 11:03 ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-10 16:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-10 18:01 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-12-10 18:33 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 20:35 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:42 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:54 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 22:15 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 23:27 ` Hugh Dickins
2012-12-11 0:19 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-11 21:56 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-19 22:24 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 18:29 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-06 8:09 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-27 21:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-28 13:35 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-11-28 14:04 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-11-28 9:45 ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-03 15:23 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-03 19:18 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 9:05 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-04 9:15 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 16:11 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 16:22 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 19:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-08 10:35 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 16:15 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-06 13:51 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-03 13:14 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 8:55 ` Jiri Slaby
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