From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758625Ab3BZDZY (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:25:24 -0500 Received: from li9-11.members.linode.com ([67.18.176.11]:49935 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751577Ab3BZDZW (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:25:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:25:08 -0500 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Matthew Garrett Cc: Greg KH , David Howells , Florian Weimer , Linus Torvalds , Josh Boyer , Peter Jones , Vivek Goyal , Kees Cook , keyrings@linux-nfs.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries Message-ID: <20130226032508.GA12906@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Ts'o , Matthew Garrett , Greg KH , David Howells , Florian Weimer , Linus Torvalds , Josh Boyer , Peter Jones , Vivek Goyal , Kees Cook , keyrings@linux-nfs.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <87ppzo79in.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <30665.1361461678@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20130221164244.GA19625@srcf.ucam.org> <18738.1361836265@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20130226005955.GA19686@kroah.com> <20130226023332.GA29282@srcf.ucam.org> <20130226030249.GB23834@kroah.com> <20130226031338.GA29784@srcf.ucam.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130226031338.GA29784@srcf.ucam.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:13:38AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Because Microsoft have indicated that they'd be taking a reactive > approach to blacklisting and because, so far, nobody has decided to > write the trivial proof of concept that demonstrates the problem. Microsoft would take a severe hit both from a PR perspective, as well as incurring significant legal risks if they did that in certain jourisdictions --- in particular, I suspect in Europe, if Microsoft were to break the ability of Linux distributions from booting, it would be significantly frowned upon. So Microsoft may have privately threatened this to certain Red Hat attendees (threats are cheap, but it's not obvious that they would necessarily follow through on this threat. - Ted