From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"alex.shi@intel.com" <alex.shi@intel.com>,
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Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: power-efficient scheduling design
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:00:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130619170042.GH5460@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51C1D0BB.3040705@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:39:39PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 10:47 AM, David Lang wrote:
>
> >
> > It's bad enough trying to guess the needs of the processes, but if you also are reduced to guessing the capabilities of the cores, how can anything be made to work?
>
> btw one way to look at this is to assume that (with some minimal hinting)
> the CPU driver will do the right thing and get you just about the best performance you can get
> (that is appropriate for the task at hand)...
> ... and don't do anything in the scheduler proactively.
If I understand correctly, you mean if your hardware/firmware is fully
in control of the p-state selection and changes it fast enough to match
the current load, the scheduler doesn't have to care? By fast enough I
mean, faster than the scheduler would notice if a cpu was temporarily
overloaded at a low p-state. In that case, you wouldn't need
cpufreq/p-state hints, and the scheduler would only move tasks between
cpus when cpus are fully loaded at their max p-state.
>
> Now for big.little and other temporary or permanent asymmetries, we may want to
> have a "max performance level" type indicator, and that's fair enough
> (and this can be dynamic, since it for thermal reasons this can change over time,
> but on a somewhat slower timescale)
>
>
> the hints I have in mind are not all that complex; we have the biggest issues today
> around task migration (the task migrates to a cold cpu... so a simple notifier chain
> on the new cpu as it is accepting a task and we can bump it up), real time tasks
> (again, simple notifier chain to get you to a predictably high performance level)
> and we're a long way better than we are today in terms of actual problems.
>
> For all the talk of ondemand (as ARM still uses that today)... that guy puts you in
> either the lowest or highest frequency over 95% of the time. Other non-cpufreq solutions
> like on Intel are bit more advanced (and will grow more so over time), but even there,
> in the grand scheme of things, the scheduler shouldn't have to care anymore with those
> two notifiers in place.
You would need more than a few hints to implement more advanced capacity
management like proposed for the power scheduler. I believe that Intel
would benefit as well from guiding the scheduler to idle the right cpu
to enable deeper idle states and/or enable turbo-boost for other cpus.
Morten
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-19 17:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-30 13:47 [RFC] Comparison of power-efficient scheduling patch sets Morten Rasmussen
2013-05-31 1:17 ` Alex Shi
2013-05-31 8:23 ` Alex Shi
2013-05-31 10:52 ` power-efficient scheduling design Ingo Molnar
2013-06-03 14:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-03 15:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-04 15:03 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-07 6:26 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-20 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-05 9:56 ` Amit Kucheria
2013-06-07 6:03 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-07 14:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-07 18:08 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-07 17:36 ` David Lang
2013-06-09 4:33 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-08 11:28 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-08 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-09 3:42 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-09 22:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-10 16:25 ` Daniel Lezcano
2013-06-12 0:27 ` David Lang
2013-06-12 1:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-12 9:48 ` Amit Kucheria
2013-06-12 16:22 ` David Lang
2013-06-12 10:20 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-12 15:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-12 17:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-12 9:50 ` Daniel Lezcano
2013-06-12 16:30 ` David Lang
2013-06-11 0:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-13 4:32 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-09 4:23 ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-06-07 15:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-14 16:05 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-17 11:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-18 1:37 ` David Lang
2013-06-18 10:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-18 17:39 ` David Lang
2013-06-19 12:39 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-18 15:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-18 17:47 ` David Lang
2013-06-18 19:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-19 15:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-19 17:00 ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2013-06-19 17:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-21 8:50 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-21 15:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-21 15:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-21 21:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-21 21:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-23 23:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-24 10:07 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-24 15:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-24 21:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-24 23:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-06-18 19:06 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-21 15:06 ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-06-23 10:55 ` Ingo Molnar
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