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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Michael Cree <mcree@orcon.net.nz>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Miroslav Franc <mfranc@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: bit fields && data tearing
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:05:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140905190506.GV5001@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <540A05F7.1070202@hurleysoftware.com>

On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 02:50:31PM -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
> On 09/05/2014 02:09 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 08:16:48PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:08:48PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >>> On 09/04/2014 05:59 PM, Peter Hurley wrote:
> >>>> I have no idea how prevalent the ev56 is compared to the ev5.
> >>>> Still we're talking about a chip that came out in 1996.
> >>>
> >>> Ah yes, I stand corrected.  According to Wikipedia, the affected CPUs
> >>> were all the 2106x CPUs (EV4, EV45, LCA4, LCA45) plus the 21164 with no
> >>> suffix (EV5).  However, we're still talking about museum pieces here.
> >>
> >> Yes, that is correct, EV56 is the first Alpha CPU to have the byte-word
> >> extension (BWX) CPU instructions.
> >>
> >> It would not worry me if the kernel decided to assume atomic aligned
> >> scalar accesses for all arches, thus terminating support for Alphas
> >> without BWX.
> >>
> >> The X server, ever since the libpciaccess change, does not work on
> >> Alphas without BWX.
> >>
> >> Debian Alpha (pretty much up to date at Debian-Ports) is still compiled
> >> for all Alphas, i.e., without BWX.  The last attempt to start compiling
> >> Debian Alpha with BWX, about three years ago when Alpha was kicked out
> >> to Debian-Ports resulted in a couple or so complaints so got nowhere.
> >> It's frustrating supporting the lowest common demoninator as many of
> >> the bugs specific to Alpha can be resolved by recompiling with the BWX.
> >> The kernel no longer supporting Alphas without BWX might just be the
> >> incentive we need to switch Debian Alpha to compiling with BWX.
> > 
> > Very good, then I update my patch as follows.  Thoughts?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> Minor [optional] edits.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Hurley
> 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > documentation: Record limitations of bitfields and small variables
> > 
> > This commit documents the fact that it is not safe to use bitfields as
> > shared variables in synchronization algorithms.  It also documents that
> > CPUs must provide one-byte and two-byte load and store instructions
>                    ^
>                 atomic

Here you meant non-atomic?  My guess is that you are referring to the
fact that you could emulate a one-byte store on pre-EV56 Alpha CPUs
using the ll and sc atomic-read-modify-write instructions, correct?

> > in order to be supported by the Linux kernel.  (Michael Cree
> > has agreed to the resulting non-support of pre-EV56 Alpha CPUs:
> > https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/9/5/143.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > index 87be0a8a78de..455df6b298f7 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > @@ -269,6 +269,30 @@ And there are a number of things that _must_ or _must_not_ be assumed:
> >  	STORE *(A + 4) = Y; STORE *A = X;
> >  	STORE {*A, *(A + 4) } = {X, Y};
> >  
> > +And there are anti-guarantees:
> > +
> > + (*) These guarantees do not apply to bitfields, because compilers often
> > +     generate code to modify these using non-atomic read-modify-write
> > +     sequences.  Do not attempt to use bitfields to synchronize parallel
> > +     algorithms.
> > +
> > + (*) Even in cases where bitfields are protected by locks, all fields
> > +     in a given bitfield must be protected by one lock.  If two fields
> > +     in a given bitfield are protected by different locks, the compiler's
> > +     non-atomic read-modify-write sequences can cause an update to one
> > +     field to corrupt the value of an adjacent field.
> > +
> > + (*) These guarantees apply only to properly aligned and sized scalar
> > +     variables.  "Properly sized" currently means variables that are the
> > +     same size as "char", "short", "int" and "long".  "Properly aligned"
> > +     means the natural alignment, thus no constraints for "char",
> > +     two-byte alignment for "short", four-byte alignment for "int",
> > +     and either four-byte or eight-byte alignment for "long", on 32-bit
> > +     and 64-bit systems, respectively.  Note that this means that the
> > +     Linux kernel does not support pre-EV56 Alpha CPUs, because these
> > +     older CPUs do not provide one-byte and two-byte loads and stores.
>                                  ^
>                             non-atomic

I took this, thank you!

							Thanx, Paul

> > +     Alpha EV56 and later Alpha CPUs are still supported.
> > +
> >  
> >  =========================
> >  WHAT ARE MEMORY BARRIERS?
> > 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-05 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-12 18:13 bit fields && data tearing Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 23:34   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-13 12:29     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-13 13:15     ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-13 22:25       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-15 13:54         ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-15 15:02           ` Richard Henderson
2014-09-03 22:51 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-03 23:11   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04  8:43     ` David Laight
2014-09-04  9:52       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04 22:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  0:59           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  2:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 15:31               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 15:41                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 17:52                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 17:59                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:17                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-09 11:18                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 22:47                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09  1:59                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-09 11:14                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:04                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-11 16:16                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-11 20:01                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-14 23:24                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-22 19:51                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-23 18:19                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-23 18:39                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 18:13                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 20:18                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-10 21:10                       ` Rob Landley
2014-09-05  2:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  8:16               ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 18:09                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:31                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:01                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:15                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:19                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:50                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 19:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-09-05 19:24                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:09                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:38                       ` Marc Gauthier
2014-09-05 20:14                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:34                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:42                             ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:43                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:48                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-05 21:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:39                           ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 21:12                             ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 21:27                               ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:42                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-04  8:57     ` Mikael Pettersson
2014-09-04  9:09       ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 12:24         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 12:29           ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 16:50           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-04 19:42             ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 22:16               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  0:17                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05  1:57                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  2:11                   ` James Bottomley
2014-09-05  2:47                     ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  4:06                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05  8:30                         ` David Laight
2014-09-05 12:31                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 12:37                             ` David Laight
2014-09-05 16:17                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-25 16:12                                 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-07  5:07                         ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 16:21                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 19:04                             ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 20:41                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08  5:50                                 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 20:45                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2014-09-08 22:43                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  2:27                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09  8:11                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-08 23:30                                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09  2:56                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  3:20                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09  4:30                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 10:40                                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-10 21:48                                         ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 23:50                                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:23                                           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-07 23:00                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-07 23:36                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:39                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08  5:56                                       ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 18:12                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:09                                           ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 19:12                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:12                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 22:39                                               ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  2:30                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin

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