From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933461AbbFJJI0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:08:26 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com ([209.85.212.173]:34722 "EHLO mail-wi0-f173.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933359AbbFJJIS (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:08:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 11:08:13 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: Mel Gorman Cc: Andrew Morton , Rik van Riel , Hugh Dickins , Minchan Kim , Dave Hansen , Andi Kleen , H Peter Anvin , Linux-MM , LKML , Linus Torvalds , Peter Zijlstra , Thomas Gleixner Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] TLB flush multiple pages per IPI v5 Message-ID: <20150610090813.GA30359@gmail.com> References: <1433767854-24408-1-git-send-email-mgorman@suse.de> <20150608174551.GA27558@gmail.com> <20150609084739.GQ26425@suse.de> <20150609103231.GA11026@gmail.com> <20150609112055.GS26425@suse.de> <20150609124328.GA23066@gmail.com> <20150609130536.GT26425@suse.de> <20150610085141.GA25704@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150610085141.GA25704@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Ingo Molnar wrote: > Stop this crap. > > I made a really clear and unambiguous chain of arguments: > > - I'm unconvinced about the benefits of INVLPG in general, and your patches adds > a whole new bunch of them. [...] ... and note that your claim that 'we were doing them before, this is just an equivalent transformation' is utter bullsh*t technically: what we were doing previously was a hideously expensive IPI combined with an INVLPG. The behavior was dominated by the huge overhead of the remote flushing IPI, which does not prove or disprove either your or my opinion! Preserving that old INVLPG logic without measuring its benefits _again_ would be cargo cult programming. So I think this should be measured, and I don't mind worst-case TLB trashing measurements, which would be relatively straightforward to construct and the results should be unambiguous. The batching limit (which you set to 32) should then be tuned by comparing it to a working full-flushing batching logic, not by comparing it to the previous single IPI per single flush approach! ... and if the benefits of a complex algorithm are not measurable and if there are doubts about the cost/benefit tradeoff then frankly it should not exist in the kernel in the first place. It's not like the Linux TLB flushing code is too boring due to overwhelming simplicity. and yes, it's my job as a maintainer to request measurements justifying complexity and your ad hominem attacks against me are disgusting - you should know better. Thanks, Ingo