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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/14] perf tools: Move subcommand framework and related utils to libapi
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:03:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151209080343.GA14846@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151208230725.GJ14846@treble.redhat.com>


* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:

> > > wouldn't necessarily be a clean split.  It would also possibly create more 
> > > room for error for the users of libapi, since there would then be three 
> > > config interfaces instead of one.
> > 
> > Humm, and now that you talk... libapi was supposed to be just sugar coating 
> > kernel APIs, perhaps we need to put it somewhere else in tools/lib/ than in 
> > tools/lib/api/?
> 
> Ah, I didn't realize libapi was a kernel API abstraction library.  Shall we put 
> it in tools/lib/util instead?

Yay, naming discussion! ;-)

So if this is about abstracting out the (Git derived) command-line option parsing 
UI and help system, 'util' sounds a bit too generic.

We could call it something like 'lib/cmdline', 'lib/options'?

The (old) argument against making too finegrained user-space libraries was that 
shared libraries do have extra runtime costs - this thinking resulted in catch-all 
super-libraries like libgtk:

  size /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0
     text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
  7199789   57712   15128 7272629  6ef8b5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0

But in tools/ we typically link the libraries statically so there's no shared 
library cost to worry about. (Build time linking is a good idea anyway, should we 
ever want to make use of link-time optimizations. It also eliminates version skew 
and library compatibility breakage.)

The other reason for the emergence of super-libraries was the high setup cost of 
new libraries: it's a lot easier to add yet another unrelated API to libgtk than 
to start up a whole new project and a new library. But this setup cost is very low 
in tools/ - one of the advantage of shared repositories.

So I think in tools/lib/ we can continue to do a clean topical separation of 
libraries, super-libraries are not needed.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-09  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-08  4:21 [PATCH v2 00/14] perf tools: Move perf subcommand framework into lib/tools Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] perf: Fix 'make clean' Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 17:40   ` Jiri Olsa
2015-12-08 18:40     ` Jiri Olsa
2015-12-08 18:49       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 18:46     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] perf: Use -iquote for local include paths Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] perf: Split up util.h Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] perf: Move term functions out of util.c Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-09 15:53   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-10  8:18   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] perf: Remove unused pager_use_color variable Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-09 15:43   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-10  8:18   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] perf: Split up cache.h Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] perf: Remove cache.h Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] perf: Save cmdline arguments earlier Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-10  8:18   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] perf: Remove check for unused PERF_PAGER_IN_USE Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] perf: Move cmd_version() to builtin-version.c Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-10  8:19   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] perf: Move help_unknown_cmd() to its own file Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] perf tools: Move strlcpy() to tools/lib/string.c Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] perf tools: Move tools/lib/string.c to libapi Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08  4:21 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] perf tools: Move subcommand framework and related utils " Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 18:16   ` Jiri Olsa
2015-12-08 18:49     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 19:09       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-08 19:17         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 19:40           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-08 21:48             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-08 22:27               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-08 23:07                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-09  8:03                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-12-09 12:33                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-09 15:58                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-09 18:59                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-10  1:40                           ` Namhyung Kim
2015-12-10 14:54                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-10 21:35                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-11 11:21                                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-10 12:55                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-12-10 15:15                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-12-10  1:58   ` Namhyung Kim
2015-12-10  2:00 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] perf tools: Move perf subcommand framework into lib/tools Namhyung Kim
2015-12-10 15:11   ` Josh Poimboeuf

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