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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Allow to mmap MSI-X table if interrupt remapping is supported
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 10:54:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160506105458.1c1efc7a@t450s.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa5555df-b8d2-70ea-e9af-81336c431a67@ozlabs.ru>

On Fri, 6 May 2016 16:35:38 +1000
Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru> wrote:

> On 05/06/2016 01:05 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 May 2016 12:15:46 +0000
> > "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com> wrote:
> >  
> >>> From: Yongji Xie [mailto:xyjxie@linux.vnet.ibm.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 7:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> Hi David and Kevin,
> >>>
> >>> On 2016/5/5 17:54, David Laight wrote:
> >>>  
> >>>> From: Tian, Kevin  
> >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2016 10:37  
> >>>> ...  
> >>>>>> Acutually, we are not aimed at accessing MSI-X table from
> >>>>>> guest. So I think it's safe to passthrough MSI-X table if we
> >>>>>> can make sure guest kernel would not touch MSI-X table in
> >>>>>> normal code path such as para-virtualized guest kernel on PPC64.
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>> Then how do you prevent malicious guest kernel accessing it?  
> >>>> Or a malicious guest driver for an ethernet card setting up
> >>>> the receive buffer ring to contain a single word entry that
> >>>> contains the address associated with an MSI-X interrupt and
> >>>> then using a loopback mode to cause a specific packet be
> >>>> received that writes the required word through that address.
> >>>>
> >>>> Remember the PCIe cycle for an interrupt is a normal memory write
> >>>> cycle.
> >>>>
> >>>> 	David
> >>>>  
> >>>
> >>> If we have enough permission to load a malicious driver or
> >>> kernel, we can easily break the guest without exposed
> >>> MSI-X table.
> >>>
> >>> I think it should be safe to expose MSI-X table if we can
> >>> make sure that malicious guest driver/kernel can't use
> >>> the MSI-X table to break other guest or host. The
> >>> capability of IRQ remapping could provide this
> >>> kind of protection.
> >>>  
> >>
> >> With IRQ remapping it doesn't mean you can pass through MSI-X
> >> structure to guest. I know actual IRQ remapping might be platform
> >> specific, but at least for Intel VT-d specification, MSI-X entry must
> >> be configured with a remappable format by host kernel which
> >> contains an index into IRQ remapping table. The index will find a
> >> IRQ remapping entry which controls interrupt routing for a specific
> >> device. If you allow a malicious program random index into MSI-X
> >> entry of assigned device, the hole is obvious...
> >>
> >> Above might make sense only for a IRQ remapping implementation
> >> which doesn't rely on extended MSI-X format (e.g. simply based on
> >> BDF). If that's the case for PPC, then you should build MSI-X
> >> passthrough based on this fact instead of general IRQ remapping
> >> enabled or not.  
> >
> > I don't think anyone is expecting that we can expose the MSI-X vector
> > table to the guest and the guest can make direct use of it.  The end
> > goal here is that the guest on a power system is already
> > paravirtualized to not program the device MSI-X by directly writing to
> > the MSI-X vector table.  They have hypercalls for this since they
> > always run virtualized.  Therefore a) they never intend to touch the
> > MSI-X vector table and b) they have sufficient isolation that a guest
> > can only hurt itself by doing so.
> >
> > On x86 we don't have a), our method of programming the MSI-X vector
> > table is to directly write to it. Therefore we will always require QEMU
> > to place a MemoryRegion over the vector table to intercept those
> > accesses.  However with interrupt remapping, we do have b) on x86, which
> > means that we don't need to be so strict in disallowing user accesses
> > to the MSI-X vector table.  It's not useful for configuring MSI-X on
> > the device, but the user should only be able to hurt themselves by
> > writing it directly.  x86 doesn't really get anything out of this
> > change, but it helps this special case on power pretty significantly
> > aiui.  Thanks,  
> 
> Excellent short overview, saved :)
> 
> How do we proceed with these patches? Nobody seems objecting them but also 
> nobody seems taking them either...

Well, this series is still based on some non-upstream patches, so...
Once that dependency is resolved this series should probably be split
into functional areas for acceptance by the appropriate subsystem
maintainers.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-06 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-27 12:43 [PATCH 0/5] vfio-pci: Add support for mmapping MSI-X table Yongji Xie
2016-04-27 12:43 ` [PATCH 1/5] PCI: Add a new PCI_BUS_FLAGS_MSI_REMAP flag Yongji Xie
2016-05-24 20:55   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-25  5:46     ` Yongji Xie
2016-04-27 12:43 ` [PATCH 2/5] iommu: Set PCI_BUS_FLAGS_MSI_REMAP if IOMMU have capability of IRQ remapping Yongji Xie
2016-05-24 21:11   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-25  5:54     ` Yongji Xie
     [not found]     ` <201605250554.u4P5sRqv014439@mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com>
2016-05-26  3:48       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 12:43 ` [PATCH 3/5] PCI: Set PCI_BUS_FLAGS_MSI_REMAP if MSI controller supports " Yongji Xie
2016-05-24 21:04   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-25  5:48     ` Yongji Xie
2016-04-27 12:43 ` [PATCH 4/5] pci-ioda: Set PCI_BUS_FLAGS_MSI_REMAP for IODA host bridge Yongji Xie
2016-05-06  6:34   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-04-27 12:43 ` [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Allow to mmap MSI-X table if interrupt remapping is supported Yongji Xie
2016-05-03  5:34   ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-03  6:08     ` Yongji Xie
2016-05-03  6:22       ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-03  7:34         ` Yongji Xie
2016-05-05  9:36           ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-05  9:54             ` David Laight
2016-05-05 11:42               ` Yongji Xie
2016-05-05 12:15                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-05 13:28                   ` Yongji Xie
2016-05-05 15:05                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-06  6:35                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-05-06 16:54                       ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2016-05-11  6:29                     ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-11 15:53                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-12  1:19                         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-12  2:20                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-12  4:53                             ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-12 17:47                               ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-13  2:33                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-13  5:32                                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-13  6:50                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-13 16:42                                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-13  9:16                                     ` David Laight
2016-05-13  2:36                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-05-05 11:44             ` Yongji Xie

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