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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Aleksa Sarai <asarai@suse.de>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Aditya Kali <adityakali@google.com>,
	Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <cbrauner@suse.de>,
	dev@opencontainers.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/3] cgroup: relax common ancestor restriction for direct descendants
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:01:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160721150135.GD22680@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2dc90947-cee7-90a9-3e60-4ca7c0de29d3@suse.de>

Hello, Aleksa.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:37:42AM +1000, Aleksa Sarai wrote:
> > Ths is of course solvable using something like libpam-cgfs or
> > libpam-cgm (and others).  Since this sounds like a question of
> > policy, not mechanism, userspace seems like the right place.  Is
> > there a downside to that (or, as Tejun put it, "delegating explicitly")?
> 
> Having a PAM module requires getting an administrator to install the PAM
> module (and also presumably audit it, not to mention convincing them that
> your requirement to use containers are significant enough for them to do any
> work). It's the same problem IMO. I understand that LXC allows you to do
> this, but it requires that you get an administrator to *install* and support
> LXC (as well as the shadow-utils setuid binaries too). There are cases where
> you don't have the freedom to do that, and also "just get someone to give
> you privileges temporarily" is again punting on the problem.

The administrator has to install a new kernel to get this feature from
kernel side too.  I don't think "to bypass admin" is a strong argument
for a new kernel feature especially when it's likely to cause subtle
issues as in this case.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-21 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-18 16:18 [PATCH v1 0/3] cgroup: allow for unprivileged management Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] kernfs: add support for custom per-sb permission hooks Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] cgroup: allow for unprivileged subtree management Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-20 15:45   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-20 22:59     ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] cgroup: relax common ancestor restriction for direct descendants Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-20 15:51   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-20 22:58     ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-20 23:02       ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-20 23:18         ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-20 23:19           ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21  7:49             ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-21 14:33               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 14:37                 ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-21 15:01                   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2016-07-21 15:09                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 14:51                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-21 14:59                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 15:07                     ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-21 15:04                       ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 14:52               ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 15:04                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-21 15:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 15:16                     ` James Bottomley
2016-07-21 15:26                       ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 15:34                         ` James Bottomley
2016-07-21 15:50                           ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-21 18:16                             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-21 21:06                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-22  8:30                             ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-25 18:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-25 22:54                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-22  8:24                     ` Aleksa Sarai
2016-07-25 18:44                       ` Tejun Heo

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