From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753819AbcKUQqP (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:46:15 -0500 Received: from merlin.infradead.org ([205.233.59.134]:52634 "EHLO merlin.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753156AbcKUQqO (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:46:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:46:05 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Patrick Bellasi Cc: Juri Lelli , Viresh Kumar , Rafael Wysocki , Ingo Molnar , linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Vincent Guittot , Robin Randhawa , Steve Muckle , tkjos@google.com, Morten Rasmussen Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpufreq: schedutil: add up/down frequency transition rate limits Message-ID: <20161121164605.GJ3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20161121100805.GB10014@vireshk-i7> <20161121101946.GI3102@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20161121121432.GK24383@e106622-lin> <20161121122622.GC3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20161121135308.GN24383@e106622-lin> <20161121145919.GA3414@e105326-lin> <20161121152606.GI3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20161121162424.GA10744@e105326-lin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161121162424.GA10744@e105326-lin> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23.1 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 04:24:24PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote: > On 21-Nov 16:26, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > In any case, worth trying, see what happens. > > Are you saying that you would like to see the code which implements a > more generic version of the peak_util "filter" on top of PELT? Not sure about peak_util, I was more thinking of an IIR/PID filter, as per the email thread referenced below. Doesn't make sense to hide that in intel_pstate if it appears to be universally useful etc.. > IMO it could be a good exercise now that we agree we want to improve > PELT without replacing it. I think it would make sense to keep it inside sched_cpufreq for now. > > > For example, a task running 30 [ms] every 100 [ms] is a ~300 util_avg > > > task. With PELT, we get a signal which range between [120,550] with an > > > average of ~300 which is instead completely ignored. By capping the > > > decay we will get: > > > > > > decay_cap [ms] range average > > > 0 120:550 300 > > > 64 140:560 310 > > > 32 320:660 430 > > > > > > which means that still the raw PELT signal is wobbling and never > > > provides a consistent response to drive decisions. > > > > > > Thus, a "predictor" should be something which sample information from > > > PELT to provide a more consistent view, a sort of of low-pass filter > > > on top of the "dynamic metric" which is PELT. > > > > > > Should not such a "predictor" help on solving some of the issues > > > related to PELT slow ramp-up or fast ramp-down? > > > > I think intel_pstate recently added a local PID filter, I asked at the > > time if something like that should live in generic code, looks like > > maybe it should. > > That PID filter is not "just" a software implementation of the ACPI's > Collaborative Processor Performance Control (CPPC) when HWP hardware > is not provided by a certain processor? I think it was this thread: http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1572483.RZjvRFdxPx@vostro.rjw.lan It never really made sense such a filter should live in individual drivers.