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From: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	skozina@redhat.com, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.com>,
	Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Debian kernel maintainers <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/kbuild: enable modversions for symbols exported from asm
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:40:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161201154059.GC35881@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161201152609.GA21862@infradead.org>

On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 07:26:09AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 10:20:39AM -0500, Don Zickus wrote:
> > 
> > - provide the memory allocation (instead of having the driver staticly
> >   allocate)
> > - provide functions to retrieve various internal data (instead of having the
> >   driver do direct referencing to deep internal elements)
> > - cut down on some static inlines (and use accessory functions instead),
> >   etc.
> > 
> > Those types of changes allow the OOT driver to be more ignorant of kernel
> > changes and struct modifications.
> 
> All that is counter to what we really want to have:  a well integrated
> kernel that moves forward together so that we can see and improve the
> whole situation.  No need to make things worse just to help leeches.
> Get your damn drivers upstream ASAP and let's stop this discussion..

I understand and won't disagree with you. :-)

Unfortunately, there are various drivers that will never go upstream

- paid storage drivers that provide bells and whistles on top of inbox
  driver
- old drivers/fs that application has been relying on for a long time but
  company doesn't have resources to migrate to current technology.

We have been trying over the years to do what we can to move customers in
the right direction.  It is just a slow process, sadly.

Cheers,
Don

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-01 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <a73aec83-ddad-2bdf-e612-178c9936a16f@manjaro.org>
     [not found] ` <20161102004639.6870806d@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2016-11-23 20:08   ` BUG: 4.9-rc6 Still "no symbol version" on boot Philip Müller
2016-11-23 20:14     ` Robert LeBlanc
2016-11-23 20:27       ` Philip Müller
2016-11-23 20:53     ` Adam Borowski
2016-11-23 21:01       ` Robert LeBlanc
2016-11-23 21:02       ` [PATCH] x86/kbuild: enable modversions for symbols exported from asm Adam Borowski
2016-11-23 23:10         ` Philip Müller
2016-11-24  4:40         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-24  5:20           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24  6:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-24  7:20               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24  7:36                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-24  7:53                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24  9:32                     ` Michal Marek
2016-11-24 10:03                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24 10:51                         ` Michal Marek
2016-11-24  9:38                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-11-24 10:01                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24  9:56                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-24 10:31                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-24 15:24                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-25  0:40                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-25 18:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-26  0:37                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-29  1:15                               ` Ben Hutchings
2016-11-29  2:31                                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-29  9:14                                   ` Michal Marek
2016-11-29  4:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 13:19                                   ` Adam Borowski
2016-11-29 13:29                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-29 14:24                                       ` Adam Borowski
2016-11-29 13:51                                     ` Adam Borowski
     [not found]                                       ` <CA+55aFyZiB4YkwvqzrXO=HD8bcnc2xHkAYrek2QHVnhVvAi3Fw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-11-29 16:03                                         ` Michal Marek
2016-11-29 16:17                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 19:57                                             ` Ben Hutchings
2016-11-29 20:35                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-30 18:18                                                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-11-30 18:40                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-30 21:33                                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2016-12-01  1:55                                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-01  2:35                                                         ` Ben Hutchings
2016-12-01  3:39                                                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-01 16:12                                                             ` Michal Marek
2016-12-02 14:36                                                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-09  3:33                                                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-09 15:21                                                                 ` Ian Campbell
2016-12-09 16:15                                                                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-09 22:46                                                                     ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-10 12:41                                                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-12-12  3:50                                                                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-12  9:08                                                                         ` Ian Campbell
2016-12-14 17:59                                                                         ` Don Zickus
2016-12-13  1:07                                                                       ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-13 22:51                                                                       ` Michal Marek
2016-12-14  8:58                                                                         ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-14  9:15                                                                           ` Michal Marek
2016-12-14  9:36                                                                             ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-14  9:44                                                                               ` Michal Marek
2016-12-14 10:02                                                                                 ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-14 10:15                                                                                   ` Michal Marek
2016-12-14  9:56                                                                               ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-14  9:37                                                                             ` Michal Marek
2016-12-01  4:13                                                     ` Don Zickus
2016-12-01  4:32                                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-01 15:20                                                         ` Don Zickus
2016-12-01 15:26                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-12-01 15:40                                                             ` Don Zickus [this message]
2016-12-01 16:06                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-12-01 18:42                                                                 ` Don Zickus
2016-12-09  3:50                                                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-09  7:55                                                             ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-09  8:14                                                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-09 14:36                                                                 ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-09 15:56                                                                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-09 16:03                                                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-12-12  9:48                                                                       ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-13  7:25                                                                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-14 14:04                                                                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15  2:06                                                                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-15 11:19                                                                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 12:03                                                                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-15 13:15                                                                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 14:15                                                                                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-15 15:17                                                                                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 13:35                                                                               ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-09 16:16                                                             ` Don Zickus
2016-12-01 10:48                                                       ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-01 11:09                                                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-01 11:33                                                           ` Stanislav Kozina
2016-12-01 12:39                                                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-01 15:19                                                           ` Dodji Seketeli
2016-12-01 16:14                                                       ` Michal Marek
2016-11-29 17:05                                         ` Adam Borowski
2016-11-29 17:10                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 17:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-01 13:58                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-01 16:21                                                 ` Michal Marek
2016-12-01 18:26                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 10:55                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-02 12:40                                                     ` [RFC, PATCH, v3.9] default exported asm symbols to zero Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-02 12:59                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-02 14:51                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-02 15:35                                                       ` Adam Borowski
2016-12-03  4:36                                                       ` Ben Hutchings
2016-12-03 10:43                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-02 17:04                                                     ` [PATCH] x86/kbuild: enable modversions for symbols exported from asm Linus Torvalds
2016-12-04  7:44                                                     ` Alan Modra
2016-12-04 20:44                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 21:23                                             ` Michal Marek
2016-11-24  9:25           ` Michal Marek
2016-11-24 11:42         ` Regression: " Kalle Valo
2016-11-23 23:07       ` BUG: 4.9-rc6 Still "no symbol version" on boot Philip Müller
2016-11-28 17:10         ` Robert LeBlanc

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