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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Cao jin <caoj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfio/pci: Support error recovery
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:27:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161213092759.50fbd7df@t450s.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161213181116-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:12:34 +0200
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 08:39:48PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:15:13 +0200
> > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 03:43:13PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:  
> > > > > So just don't do it then. Topology must match between host and guest,
> > > > > except maybe for the case of devices with host driver  (e.g. PF)
> > > > > which we might be able to synchronize against.    
> > > > 
> > > > We're talking about host kernel level handling here.  The host kernel
> > > > cannot defer the link reset to the user under the assumption that the
> > > > user is handling the devices in a very specific way.  The moment we do
> > > > that, we've lost.    
> > > 
> > > The way is same as baremetal though, so why not?  
> > 
> > How do we know this?  What if the user is dpdk?  The kernel is
> > responsible for maintaining the integrity of the system and devices,
> > not the user.
> >   
> > > And if user doesn't do what's expected, we can
> > > do the full link reset on close.  
> > 
> > That's exactly my point, if we're talking about multiple devices,
> > there's no guarantee that the close() for each is simultaneous.  If one
> > function is released before the other we cannot do a bus reset.  If
> > that device is then opened by another user before its sibling is
> > released, then we once again cannot perform a link reset.  I don't
> > think it would be reasonable to mark the released device quarantined
> > until the sibling is released, that would be a terrible user experience.  
> 
> Not sure why you find it so terrible, and I don't think there's another way.

If we can't do it without regressing the support we currently have,
let's not do it at all.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-13 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-27 11:34 [PATCH] vfio/pci: Support error recovery Cao jin
2016-11-28  3:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-28  9:32   ` Cao jin
2016-11-30  1:46     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-01 13:38       ` Cao jin
2016-12-01  4:04 ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-01  4:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-01 13:40     ` Cao jin
2016-12-06  3:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-06  6:47         ` Cao jin
2016-12-01 13:40   ` Cao jin
2016-12-01 14:55     ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-04 12:16       ` Cao jin
2016-12-04 15:30         ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-05  5:52           ` Cao jin
2016-12-05 16:17             ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-06  3:55               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-06  4:59                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-06 10:46                   ` Cao jin
2016-12-06 15:35                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-07  2:49                       ` Cao jin
2016-12-08 14:46                       ` Cao jin
2016-12-08 16:30                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-09  3:40                           ` Cao jin
2016-12-09  3:40                         ` Cao jin
2016-12-06  6:11               ` Cao jin
2016-12-06 15:25                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-07  2:58                   ` Cao jin
2016-12-12 13:49 ` Cao jin
2016-12-12 19:12   ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-12 22:29     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-12 22:43       ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-13  3:15         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-13  3:39           ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-13 16:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-13 16:27               ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2016-12-14  1:58                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-14  3:00                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-14 22:20                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-14 22:47                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-14 23:00                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-14 23:32                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-14 10:24     ` Cao jin
2016-12-14 22:16       ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-14 22:25         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-14 22:49           ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-15 13:56         ` Cao jin
2016-12-15 14:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-15 22:01             ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-16 10:15               ` Cao jin
2016-12-16 10:15             ` Cao jin
2016-12-15 17:02           ` Alex Williamson

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