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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	edumazet@google.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, luto@amacapital.net,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] siphash: implement HalfSipHash1-3 for hash tables
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:46:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161222004635.GV8388@tassilo.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161221230216.25341-7-Jason@zx2c4.com>

> 64-bit x86_64:
> [    0.509409] test_siphash:     SipHash2-4 cycles: 4049181
> [    0.510650] test_siphash:     SipHash1-3 cycles: 2512884
> [    0.512205] test_siphash: HalfSipHash1-3 cycles: 3429920
> [    0.512904] test_siphash:    JenkinsHash cycles:  978267

I'm not sure what these numbers mean. Surely a single siphash2-4
does not take 4+ million cycles? 

If you run them in a loop please divide by the iterations.

But generally running small code in a loop is often an unrealistic
benchmark strategy because it hides cache misses, primes
predictors, changes frequencies and changes memory costs,
but also can overload pipelines and oversubscribe
resources.

[see also page 46+ in http://halobates.de/applicative-mental-models.pdf]

So the numbers you get there are at least somewhat
dubious. It would be good to have at least some test which
is not just a tiny micro benchmark to compare before making
conclusions.

-Andi

      reply	other threads:[~2016-12-22  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-15 20:29 [PATCH v5 0/4] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 22:42   ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16  2:14   ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-17 14:55   ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-12-19 17:08     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] siphash: add Nu{32,64} helpers Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 10:39   ` David Laight
2016-12-16 15:44     ` George Spelvin
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  9:59   ` David Laight
2016-12-16 15:57     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 1/5] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 2/5] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 3/5] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 21:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 4/5] md5: remove from lib and only live in crypto Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 5/5] syncookies: use SipHash in place of SHA1 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02   ` [PATCH v7 0/6] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 1/6] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  1:40       ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 2/6] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 3/6] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:13       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:07         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22  2:09           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:49           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  3:12             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  5:41             ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22  6:03               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:58                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 16:16                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 16:30                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 16:36                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 12:47               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 13:10                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:05                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:12                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:29                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:33                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:41                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:51                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:53                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:54                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 18:08                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 18:13                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 19:50                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22  2:31         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 4/6] md5: remove from lib and only live in crypto Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 5/6] syncookies: use SipHash in place of SHA1 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 6/6] siphash: implement HalfSipHash1-3 for hash tables Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  0:46       ` Andi Kleen [this message]

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