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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] make global bitlock waitqueues per-node
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:40:35 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161222044035.164ae188@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFx83JS4ZcZUmQLL+e1gzTQ-y_0n_xWtg=T8qtJ0_cA5GA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:12:36 -0800
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been doing a bit of testing, and I don't know why you're seeing
> > this.
> >
> > I don't think I've been able to trigger any actual page lock contention
> > so nothing gets put on the waitqueue to really bounce cache lines around
> > that I can see.  
> 
> The "test is the waitqueue is empty" is going to cause cache misses
> even if there is no contention.
> 
> In fact, that's why I want the contention bit in the struct page - not
> because of any NUMA issues, but simply due to cache misses.
> 
> And yes, with no contention the bit waiting should hopefully be able
> to cache things shared - which should make the bouncing much less -
> but there's going to be a shitload of false sharing with any actual
> IO, so you will get bouncing due to that.

Well that's what I'm actually interested in, but I could not get it to
do much bouncing at all. There was a significant amount of writes going
through when having the backing store files on writeback filesystem,
but even that was not really triggering a lot of actual waiters.

Not that I don't believe it could happen, and Dave's system is a lot
bigger and faster and more NUMA than the one I was testing on. I'm
just curious.

Thanks,
Nick

      reply	other threads:[~2016-12-21 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-19 22:58 [RFC][PATCH] make global bitlock waitqueues per-node Dave Hansen
     [not found] ` <CA+55aFwK6JdSy9v_BkNYWNdfK82sYA1h3qCSAJQ0T45cOxeXmQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-12-20  0:20   ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-20  2:31     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-20 12:58       ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-20 13:21         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-20 17:31     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-20 18:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-21  8:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-21  8:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-21 18:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-21 18:33               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-21 19:01                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-21 19:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-22  2:07                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-22 19:28               ` Hugh Dickins
2016-12-21 10:26           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-20  2:26 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-21 12:30 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-12-21 18:12   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-21 18:40     ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]

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