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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: greg@enjellic.com, tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Ken Goldman <kgoldman@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:34:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170111113416.4h6ucm5y3hjjnfhv@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170110200558.GA5102@obsidianresearch.com>

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 01:05:58PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 01:16:35AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 10:12:41AM -0600, Dr. Greg Wettstein wrote:
> > > The kernel needs a resource manager.  Everyone needs to think VERY
> > > hard and VERY, VERY carefully about what gets put into the kernel.  In
> > > making a decision, put the ABSOLUTE smallest amount of code into the
> > > kernel which allows various 'TPM2 personalities' to be implemented in
> > > userspace and functionally verified and protected by the physical
> > > instance.  The emergence of commodity TEE's (SGX, et.al) should be in
> > > the back of everyone's mind as a factor in the roadmap.
> > 
> > Here's my cuts for the kernel:
> > 
> > - Kernel virtualizes handle areas. It's mechanical.
> > - Kernel does not virtualize bodies. It's not mechanical.
> > - At least the first version of the RM will not do other than session
> >   isolation for sessions.
> > 
> > This keeps the core for RM inside the kernel small and tight.
> 
> I think this makes sense.
> 
> In addition the kernel should only permit RM operations that are known
> to be 100% correct with the RM.
> 
> I think you should stick with your original design basic design,
> except instead of using an ioctl to switch modes, use an ioctl to
> execute the operation:
> 
> struct tpm_ioctl_operation {
>    u16 mode;  // == TPM1_RAW,TPM2_RAW,TPM1_RM,TPM2_RM
>    u16 locality;
>    u32 txlen;
>    u32 rxlen;
>    const void *txbuf;
>    void *rxbuf;
> };
> 
> The userspace broker would be expected to use a mixture of RM and RAW
> operations.
> 
> Let's deal with the idea of another cdev some other day when someone
> can figure out a comprehensive way to do that securely for unpriv..

James, what do you think about this proposal?

/Jarkko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-11 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-04 16:12 [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Dr. Greg Wettstein
2017-01-09 23:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 19:29   ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 11:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 20:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 10:00     ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-11 18:03       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:27         ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 19:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 11:34     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2017-01-11 15:39       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 17:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:25           ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 19:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-01-02 13:22 Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 16:36 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-02 19:33   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:40     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03  5:26       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 13:41         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:14           ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:36             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:14               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:34                 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 21:54         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:58           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 16:55             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  5:47         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-04 13:00           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:51       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:36         ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:40           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:47           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:21             ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 23:20               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:39             ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:17               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  0:29                 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:56                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:50                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 14:53                   ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:31                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:57                       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 19:24                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:48             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:03     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 15:52 ` Fuchs, Andreas
2017-01-05 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 18:06     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06  8:43       ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-05 18:33     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 19:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:55         ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 22:21           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 22:58             ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 23:50               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06  0:36                 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06  8:59                   ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06 19:10                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:02                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-09 22:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 10:03     ` Andreas Fuchs

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