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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] kmod: add dynamic max concurrent thread count
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:58:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170519215829.GE19281@dtor-ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAB=NE6Vqmx=y6muenpuQKynTP=pGWMF8tzoCA0BXD6d63q9wPg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 02:45:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On May 19, 2017 1:45 PM, "Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 08:24:39PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > We currently statically limit the number of modprobe threads which
> > we allow to run concurrently to 50. As per Keith Owens, this was a
> > completely arbitrary value, and it was set in the 2.3.38 days [0]
> > over 16 years ago in year 2000.
> >
> > Although we haven't yet hit our lower limits, experimentation [1]
> > shows that when and if we hit this limit in the worst case, will be
> > fatal -- consider get_fs_type() failures upon mount on a system which
> > has many partitions, some of which might even be with the same
> > filesystem. Its best to be prudent and increase and set this
> > value to something more sensible which ensures we're far from hitting
> > the limit and also allows default build/user run time override.
> >
> > The worst case is fatal given that once a module fails to load there
> > is a period of time during which subsequent request for the same module
> > will fail, so in the case of partitions its not just one request that
> > could fail, but whole series of partitions. This later issue of a
> > module request failure domino effect can be addressed later, but
> > increasing the limit to something more meaninful should at least give us
> > enough cushion to avoid this for a while.
> >
> > Set this value up with a bit more meaninful modern limits:
> >
> > Bump this up to 64  max for small systems (CONFIG_BASE_SMALL)
> > Bump this up to 128 max for larger systems (!CONFIG_BASE_SMALL)
> >
> > Also allow the default max limit to be further fine tuned at compile
> > time and at initialization at run time at boot up using the kernel
> > parameter: max_modprobes.
> >
> > [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/history/
> history.git/commit/?id=ab1c4ec7410f6ec64e1511d1a7d850fc99c09b44
> > [1] https://github.com/mcgrof/test_request_module
> 
> If we actually run into this issue, instead of slamming the system with
> bazillion concurrent requests, can we wait for the other modprobes to
> finish and then continue?
> 
> 
> Yes ! That I have a patch that does precisely that ! That is actually still
> *not enough* to not fail fatally but this would be subject of another
> series with more debatable approaches.
> 

Then please post it.

> This at least pushes us to closer safer limits for now while also making it
> configurable.

Making it configurable depending on how big/little box is makes no
sense, especially if the above is implemented, as depth of modprobe
invocations depends on configuration and not computing power of the
hardware the system is running on.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-19 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-19  3:24 [PATCH 0/6] kmod: few simple enhancements Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 1/6] kmod: add dynamic max concurrent thread count Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 20:44   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]     ` <CAB=NE6XGL24O+JfTNUG0HO4obhDc-v+HyL0SCrQELiZrj2-qNw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <CAB=NE6Wa4Nemh80yaCCwbjrNRLPD+GJMncg12APg9Vq63AWVng@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CAB=NE6Vc6RDAytn2Pkv2V58HFo8ncR0eOHZ3===kbZ2NF78ubg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <CAB=NE6Vqmx=y6muenpuQKynTP=pGWMF8tzoCA0BXD6d63q9wPg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-05-19 21:58             ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2017-05-25 16:22               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 16:38                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 16:50                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 17:30                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 17:38                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 18:06                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 18:26                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 19:01                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 21:38                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 2/6] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-23 14:46   ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 3/6] kmod: provide wrappers for kmod_concurrent inc/dec Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 4/6] kmod: return -EBUSY if modprobe limit is reached Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 5/6] kmod: preempt on kmod_umh_threads_get() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 22:27   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25  0:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25  0:45       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25  1:00         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25  2:27           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 11:19             ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-25 15:38               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 16:42               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 15:18             ` Jessica Yu
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 6/6] kmod: use simplified rate limit printk Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 22:23   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-23  9:00     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-26  0:16 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] kmod: reduce atomic operations on kmod_concurrent Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  1:11     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-26 20:03       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] kmod: add helpers for getting kmod limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:56     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-26 20:27       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] kmod: reduce atomic operations on kmod_concurrent and simplify Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 19:19       ` [PATCH v4 " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 11:36       ` [PATCH v3 " Petr Mladek
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-22 15:19       ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-23 16:16         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 17:56           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 19:16             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 10:03               ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-26  9:55           ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-23 19:20       ` [PATCH v4 " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 11:38         ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-28 22:11           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-20 20:56     ` [PATCH v3 0/4] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-21  0:23       ` Kees Cook
2017-06-26 21:37         ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-26 22:44           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  0:27             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  8:13               ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-27 10:04                 ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-27 15:26             ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-28  0:49               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] MAINTAINERS: give kmod some maintainer love Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez

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