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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Matt Brown <matt@nmatt.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Boris Lukashev <blukashev@sempervictus.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:18:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170602181822.GA5125@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3027e4fa-5dc2-a52f-8699-9974cb4d4b6b@nmatt.com>

Quoting Matt Brown (matt@nmatt.com):
> On 6/2/17 12:57 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > I'm not quite sure what you're asking for here.  Let me offer a precise
> > strawman design.  I'm sure there are problems with it, it's just a starting
> > point.
> > 
> > system-wide whitelist (for now 'may_push_chars') is full by default.
> > 
> 
> So is may_push_chars just an alias for TIOCSTI? Or are there some
> potential whitelist members that would map to multiple ioctls?

<shrug>  I'm seeing it as only TIOCSTI right now.

> > By default, nothing changes - you can use those on your own tty, need
> > CAP_SYS_ADMIN against init_user_ns otherwise.
> > 
> > Introduce a new CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED.
> > 
> 
> I'm fine with this.
> 
> > When may_push_chars is removed from the whitelist, you lose the ability
> > to use TIOCSTI on a tty - even your own - if you do not have CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED
> > against the tty's user_ns.
> > 
> 
> How do you propose storing/updating the whitelist? sysctl?
> 
> If it is a sysctl, would each whitelist member have a sysctl?
> e.g.: kernel.ioctlwhitelist.may_push_chars = 1
> 
> Overall, I'm fine with this idea.

That sounds reasonable.  Or a securityfs file - I guess not everyone
has securityfs, but if it were to become part of YAMA then that would
work.

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-02 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-29 21:37 [PATCH v7 0/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:37 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] security: tty: Add owner user namespace to tty_struct Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:38 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-29 22:26   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-29 23:51     ` [kernel-hardening] " Boris Lukashev
2017-05-30  0:27       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  2:00         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30  2:46           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  3:18             ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 12:24               ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 16:28                 ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 16:44                   ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 18:32                   ` Stephen Smalley
2017-05-30 18:44                     ` Nick Kralevich
2017-05-30 18:57                       ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 20:22                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:00                           ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:40                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:59                               ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 22:51                   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 23:19                     ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:56                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01  2:35                         ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 13:08                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 17:18                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-01 21:26                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 18:58                             ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 21:24                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 14:46                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 15:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 16:02                                     ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 16:57                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 17:32                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 18:18                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2017-06-02 19:22                                             ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 19:25                                               ` Kees Cook
2017-06-02 19:26                                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 20:05                                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 20:11                                         ` Nick Kralevich
2017-06-02 20:46                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-03 22:00                                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-03 22:22                                             ` Matt Brown
2017-06-04  3:37                                               ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-30 15:20               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30 16:09                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-04  6:29         ` Boris Lukashev
2017-05-31  2:48       ` James Morris
2017-05-31  4:10         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30  0:15     ` Matt Brown

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