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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
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	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL rcu/next] RCU commits for 4.13
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:37:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170627233748.GZ3721@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzbsT_XC6UJaaXrG9okGOZRvRKgj3hQTAEqdAae4E-X0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 02:48:18PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Paul E. McKenney
> <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > So what next?
> >
> > One option would be to weaken the definition of spin_unlock_wait() so
> > that it had acquire semantics but not release semantics.  Alternatively,
> > we could keep the full empty-critical-section semantics and add memory
> > barriers to spin_unlock_wait() implementations, perhaps as shown in the
> > patch below.  I could go either way, though I do have some preference
> > for the stronger semantics.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> 
> I would prefer to just say
> 
>  - document that spin_unlock_wait() has acquire semantics
> 
>  - mindlessly add the smp_mb() to all users
> 
>  - let users then decide if they are ok with just acquire
> 
> That's partly because I think we actually have *fewer* users than we
> have implementations of spin_unlock_wait(). So adding a few smp_mb()'s
> in the users is actually likely the smaller change.

You are right about that!  There are only five invocations of
spin_unlock_wait() in the kernel, with a sixth that has since been
converted to spin_lock() immediately followed by spin_unlock().

> But it's also because then that allows people who *can* say that
> acquire is sufficient to just use it. People who use
> spin_unlock_wait() tend to have some odd performance reason to do so,
> so I think allowing them to use the more light-weight memory ordering
> if it works for them is a good idea.
> 
> But finally, it's partly because I think "acquire" semantics are
> actually the saner ones that we can explain the logic for much more
> clearly.
> 
> Basically, acquire semantics means that you are guaranteed to see any
> changes that were done inside a previously locked region.
> 
> Doesn't that sound like sensible semantics?

It is the semantics that most implementations of spin_unlock_wait()
provide.  Of the six invocations, two of them very clearly rely
only on the acquire semantics and two others already have the needed
memory barriers in place.  I have queued one patch to add smp_mb()
to the remaining spin_unlock_wait() of the surviving five instances,
and another patch to convert the spin_lock/unlock pair to smp_mb()
followed by spin_unlock_wait().

So, yes, it is a sensible set of semantics.  At this point, agreeing
-any- reasonable semantics would be good, as it would allow us to get
locking added to the prototype Linux-kernel memory model. ;-)

> Then, the argument for "smp_mb()" (before the spin_unlock_wait()) becomes:
> 
>  - I did a write that will affect any future lock takes
> 
>  - the smp_mb() now means that that write will be ordered wrt the
> acquire that guarantees we've seen all old actions taken by a lock.
> 
> Does those kinds of semantics make sense to people?

In case the answer is "yes", the (untested) patch below (combining
three commits) shows the changes that I believe would be required.
A preview is also available as individual commits on branch
spin_unlock_wait.2017.06.27a on -rcu here:

	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-rcu.git

As usual, thoughts?  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

diff --git a/drivers/ata/libata-eh.c b/drivers/ata/libata-eh.c
index ef68232b5222..cc01b77a079a 100644
--- a/drivers/ata/libata-eh.c
+++ b/drivers/ata/libata-eh.c
@@ -704,8 +704,10 @@ void ata_scsi_cmd_error_handler(struct Scsi_Host *host, struct ata_port *ap,
 
 		/* initialize eh_tries */
 		ap->eh_tries = ATA_EH_MAX_TRIES;
-	} else
+	} else {
+		smp_mb(); /* Add release semantics for spin_unlock_wait(). */
 		spin_unlock_wait(ap->lock);
+	}
 
 }
 EXPORT_SYMBOL(ata_scsi_cmd_error_handler);
diff --git a/include/linux/spinlock.h b/include/linux/spinlock.h
index d9510e8522d4..0c3f54e2a1d1 100644
--- a/include/linux/spinlock.h
+++ b/include/linux/spinlock.h
@@ -373,21 +373,21 @@ static __always_inline int spin_trylock_irq(spinlock_t *lock)
  * spin_unlock_wait - Interpose between successive critical sections
  * @lock: the spinlock whose critical sections are to be interposed.
  *
- * Semantically this is equivalent to a spin_lock() immediately
- * followed by a spin_unlock().  However, most architectures have
- * more efficient implementations in which the spin_unlock_wait()
- * cannot block concurrent lock acquisition, and in some cases
- * where spin_unlock_wait() does not write to the lock variable.
- * Nevertheless, spin_unlock_wait() can have high overhead, so if
- * you feel the need to use it, please check to see if there is
- * a better way to get your job done.
+ * Semantically this is equivalent to a spin_lock() immediately followed
+ * by a mythical spin_unlock() that has no ordering semantics.  However,
+ * most architectures have more efficient implementations in which the
+ * spin_unlock_wait() cannot block concurrent lock acquisition, and in some
+ * cases where spin_unlock_wait() does not write to the lock variable.
+ * Nevertheless, spin_unlock_wait() can have high overhead, so if you
+ * feel the need to use it, please check to see if there is a better way
+ * to get your job done.
  *
- * The ordering guarantees provided by spin_unlock_wait() are:
- *
- * 1.  All accesses preceding the spin_unlock_wait() happen before
- *     any accesses in later critical sections for this same lock.
- * 2.  All accesses following the spin_unlock_wait() happen after
- *     any accesses in earlier critical sections for this same lock.
+ * The spin_unlock_wait() function guarantees that all accesses following
+ * the spin_unlock_wait() happen after any accesses in earlier critical
+ * sections for this same lock.  Please note that it does -not- guarantee
+ * that accesses preceding the spin_unlock_wait() happen before any accesses
+ * in later critical sections for this same lock.  If you need this latter
+ * ordering, precede the spin_unlock_wait() with an smp_mb() or similar.
  */
 static __always_inline void spin_unlock_wait(spinlock_t *lock)
 {
diff --git a/ipc/sem.c b/ipc/sem.c
index 947dc2348271..ef42e55e9dd0 100644
--- a/ipc/sem.c
+++ b/ipc/sem.c
@@ -307,8 +307,8 @@ static void complexmode_enter(struct sem_array *sma)
 
 	for (i = 0; i < sma->sem_nsems; i++) {
 		sem = sma->sem_base + i;
-		spin_lock(&sem->lock);
-		spin_unlock(&sem->lock);
+		smp_mb(); /* Add release semantics for spin_unlock_wait(). */
+		spin_unlock_wait(&sem->lock);
 	}
 }
 

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-27 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-12 21:37 [GIT PULL rcu/next] RCU commits for 4.13 Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-13  6:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-06-14  2:54 ` Andrea Parri
2017-06-14  4:33   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-14 14:33     ` Andrea Parri
2017-06-14 20:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-19 16:24         ` Andrea Parri
2017-06-27 20:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-27 21:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-27 23:37               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-06-28 15:31                 ` Alan Stern
2017-06-28 17:03                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-28 20:16                     ` Alan Stern
2017-06-28 23:54                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-29  0:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29  0:45                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-29  3:17                             ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-29 18:47                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-29 11:36                             ` Will Deacon
2017-06-29 11:38                           ` Will Deacon
2017-06-29 15:59                             ` Alan Stern
2017-06-29 18:11                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  2:51                                 ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-30  4:02                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  5:16                                     ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-30 17:31                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-29 18:46                             ` Paul E. McKenney

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