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From: Krister Johansen <kjlx@templeofstupid.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] swait: add the missing killable swaits
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:30:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170630173048.GA2392@templeofstupid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFykNULx-b6M6FmUYdK2cn-OJKKfjaPwLN5xZGK+bioGaA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 09:03:42PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 09:13:29AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>
> >> swait uses special locking and has odd semantics that are not at all
> >> the same as the default wait queue ones. It should not be used without
> >> very strong reasons (and honestly, the only strong enough reason seems
> >> to be "RT").
> >
> > Performance shortcut:
> >
> > https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/2/25/301
> 
> Now, admittedly I don't know the code and really may be entirely off,
> but looking at the commit (no need to go to the lkml archives - it's
> commit 8577370fb0cb ("KVM: Use simple waitqueue for vcpu->wq") in
> mainline), I really think the swait() use is simply not correct if
> there can be multiple waiters, exactly because swake_up() only wakes
> up a single entry.
> 
> So either there is only a single entry, or *all* the code like
> 
>         dvcpu->arch.wait = 0;
> 
> -       if (waitqueue_active(&dvcpu->wq))
> -               wake_up_interruptible(&dvcpu->wq);
> +       if (swait_active(&dvcpu->wq))
> +               swake_up(&dvcpu->wq);
> 
> is simply wrong. If there are multiple blockers, and you just cleared
> "arch.wait", I think they should *all* be woken up. And that's not
> what swake_up() does.

Code like this is probably wrong for another reason too.  The
swait_active() is likely redudant, since swake_up() also calls
swait_active().  The check in swake_up() returns if it thinks there are
no active waiters.  However, the synchronization needed to ensure a
proper wakeup is left as an exercise to swake_up's caller.

There have been a couple of other discussions around this topic
recently:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/5/25/722
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/6/8/1222

The above is better written as the following, but even then you still
have the single/multiple wakeup problem:

 -       if (waitqueue_active(&dvcpu->wq))
 -               wake_up_interruptible(&dvcpu->wq);
 +       smp_mb();
 +       swake_up(&dvcpu->wq);


Just to add to the confusion, the last time I checked, the semantics of
swake_up() even differ between RT Linux and mainline, which makes this
even more confusing.

-K

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-30 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-14 22:20 [PATCH 0/4] firmware: fix fallback mechanism by ignoring SIGCHLD Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 1/4] test_firmware: add test case for SIGCHLD on sync fallback Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 2/4] swait: add the missing killable swaits Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 12:54   ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 13:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 13:35       ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 13:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 16:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 16:31             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-06-29 17:29               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 17:40             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 18:33                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 18:59                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 19:40                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:44                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 20:58                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 22:50                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 22:53                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 23:00                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 23:06                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-07-12 21:33                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 20:57                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05  2:06                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-07 19:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-07 22:27                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-07 22:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 19:15             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30  4:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30 11:55                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 11:57                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 17:30                 ` Krister Johansen [this message]
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 3/4] firmware: avoid invalid fallback aborts by using killable swait Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 4/4] firmware: send -EINTR on signal abort on fallback mechanism Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15  7:49 ` [PATCH 0/4] firmware: fix fallback mechanism by ignoring SIGCHLD Martin Fuzzey
2017-06-26 21:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 15:14 ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 17:29   ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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