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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
	Helge Diller <deller@gmx.de>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	"security@kernel.org" <security@kernel.org>,
	Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@qualys.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 22:40:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705204056.GD24760@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1499283163.2707.52.camel@decadent.org.uk>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:32:43PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >  - As a hardening feature, if the stack would expand within 64k or
> > whatever of a non-MAP_FIXED mapping, refuse to expand it.  (This might
> > have to be a non-hinted mapping, not just a non-MAP_FIXED mapping.)
> > The idea being that, if you deliberately place a mapping under the
> > stack, you know what you're doing.  If you're like LibreOffice and do
> > something daft and are thus exploitable, you're on your own.
> >  - As a hardening measure, don't let mmap without MAP_FIXED position
> > something within 64k or whatever of the bottom of the stack unless a
> > MAP_FIXED mapping is between them.
> 
> Having tested patches along these lines, I think the above would avoid
> the reported regressions.

Stuff like this has already been proposed but Linus suspects that more
software than we imagine uses MAP_FIXED and could break. I cannot infirm
nor confirm, and that probably indicates that there's nothing fundamentally
wrong with this approach from the userland's perspective and that it could
indeed imply such software may be more common than we would like it.

Willy

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-05 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <alpine.LSU.2.11.1706190355140.2626@eggly.anvils>
2017-06-22 12:30 ` [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings
2017-06-22 12:46   ` Willy Tarreau
2017-06-22 12:58     ` Ben Hutchings
2017-06-22 13:10       ` Willy Tarreau
2017-06-22 13:28         ` Willy Tarreau
2017-06-22 13:15       ` [vs-plain] " Levente Polyak
2017-06-22 13:59         ` Willy Tarreau
2017-06-22 14:14           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-06-22 14:34             ` Willy Tarreau
2017-06-23  3:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-23  4:42                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-22 21:23             ` Helge Deller
2017-06-23  4:35   ` Hugh Dickins
2017-06-24  9:11     ` Hugh Dickins
2017-06-24 18:29       ` Ben Hutchings
     [not found] ` <CA+55aFx6j4na3BVRC2aQuf-kNp1jzGahN8To_SFpNu+H=gopJA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <20170619142358.GA32654@1wt.eu>
     [not found]     ` <1498009101.2655.6.camel@decadent.org.uk>
     [not found]       ` <20170621092419.GA22051@dhcp22.suse.cz>
     [not found]         ` <1498042057.2655.8.camel@decadent.org.uk>
2017-07-03 23:55           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04  0:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04  8:41               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04  9:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04  9:47                   ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-04 10:42                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 11:36                       ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04 12:00                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 12:11                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 12:21                           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04 12:33                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 14:19                               ` Ximin Luo
2017-07-04 14:48                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 15:51                         ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-04 17:22                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 18:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04 18:39                               ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-04 18:47                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04 19:03                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-04 16:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04 16:27                           ` John Haxby
2017-07-04 17:02                             ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 12:26                           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04 17:11                         ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 12:25                           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04 23:01                         ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-04 23:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05  6:36                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05  8:14                               ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05  8:24                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05  9:15                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 12:21                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 13:52                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 14:19                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05 16:06                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-06  7:34                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05 12:19                             ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 14:23                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05 15:25                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 15:59                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05 16:58                                   ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 17:05                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05 17:24                                       ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 17:15                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05 23:35                                       ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 23:51                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-06  8:24                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-06 10:11                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-10  2:40                                     ` [lkp-robot] [mm] a99d848d3b: kernel_BUG_at_mm/mmap.c kernel test robot
2017-07-05 16:15                                 ` [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-05 16:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05 17:23                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-05 19:32                                       ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-05 20:40                                         ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2017-07-05 20:53                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-05 23:50                                           ` Ben Hutchings
2017-07-06  0:23                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-05 23:50                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-07-05 23:55                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-06  0:31                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-06  0:47                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-06  0:19                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-06  2:45                                           ` Kees Cook
2017-07-06  5:23                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-06  5:33                                 ` Kevin Easton
2017-07-05 16:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05 18:59                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 19:17                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05 19:18                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2017-07-05 19:21                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05  1:16                           ` [vs-plain] " kseifried
2017-07-05 14:11                             ` Solar Designer
2017-07-04 10:46                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 10:51                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04  0:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-04 12:26             ` [vs-plain] " John Haxby

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