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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait()
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:50:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170706165036.v4u5rbz56si4emw5@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170706162024.GD2393@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 09:20:24AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:05:55PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 02:12:24PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > > From: Paul E. McKenney
> 
> [ . . . ]
> 
> > Now on the one hand I feel like Oleg that it would be a shame to loose
> > the optimization, OTOH this thing is really really tricky to use,
> > and has lead to a number of bugs already.
> 
> I do agree, it is a bit sad to see these optimizations go.  So, should
> this make mainline, I will be tagging the commits that spin_unlock_wait()
> so that they can be easily reverted should someone come up with good
> semantics and a compelling use case with compelling performance benefits.

Ha!, but what would constitute 'good semantics' ?

The current thing is something along the lines of:

  "Waits for the currently observed critical section
   to complete with ACQUIRE ordering such that it will observe
   whatever state was left by said critical section."

With the 'obvious' benefit of limited interference on those actually
wanting to acquire the lock, and a shorter wait time on our side too,
since we only need to wait for completion of the current section, and
not for however many contender are before us.

Not sure I have an actual (micro) benchmark that shows a difference
though.



Is this all good enough to retain the thing, I dunno. Like I said, I'm
conflicted on the whole thing. On the one hand its a nice optimization,
on the other hand I don't want to have to keep fixing these bugs.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-06 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-29 23:59 [PATCH RFC 0/26] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <a6642feb-2f3a-980f-5ed6-2deb79563e6b@colorfullife.com>
2017-07-02  2:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 14:39     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 17:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 19:01         ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 19:57           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 18:43             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 20:04         ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 20:53           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 11:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 12:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 15:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 16:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 17:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 19:21           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 19:50             ` Alan Stern
2017-06-30 20:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 03/26] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 10:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-30 12:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 04/26] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 05/26] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 07/26] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 08/26] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:19   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 12:38     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 13:13       ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 22:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 13:15           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 16:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 16:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-03 17:13                 ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 22:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 22:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04  0:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-04  0:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 21:10                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 09/26] alpha: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 10/26] arc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 11/26] arm: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 12/26] arm64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:20   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 17:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 13/26] blackfin: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 14/26] hexagon: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 15/26] ia64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 16/26] m32r: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 18/26] mips: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 19/26] mn10300: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 20/26] parisc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 21/26] powerpc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-02  3:58   ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-05 23:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 22/26] s390: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 23/26] sh: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 24/26] sparc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 25/26] tile: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:09     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:24       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 26/26] xtensa: " Paul E. McKenney
     [not found] ` <1498780894-8253-6-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2017-07-01 19:23   ` [PATCH RFC 06/26] ipc: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Manfred Spraul
2017-07-02  3:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 18:45     ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 20:26       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 14:12   ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() David Laight
2017-07-06 15:21     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:24         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 17:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:49           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 19:37               ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:50         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-07-06 17:08           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 10:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 11:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 14:41             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08  8:43               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 17:47             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-08  8:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 12:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 14:45                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 16:21                     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-10 17:22                       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07  8:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 19:27   ` [PATCH v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney

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