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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, will.deacon@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/5] sys_membarrier: Add expedited option
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 21:55:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170727135551.tg7cduw22krjzbvt@tardis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170727130816.GP3730@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

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Hi Paul,

I have a side question out of curiosity:

How does synchronize_sched() work properly for sys_membarrier()?

sys_membarrier() requires every other CPU does a smp_mb() before it
returns, and I know synchronize_sched() will wait until all CPUs running
a kernel thread do a context-switch, which has a smp_mb(). However, I
believe sched flavor RCU treat CPU running a user thread as a quiesent
state, so synchronize_sched() could return without that CPU does a
context switch. 

So why could we use synchronize_sched() for sys_membarrier()?

In particular, could the following happens?

	CPU 0:				CPU 1:
	=========================	==========================
	<in user space>			<in user space>
					{read Y}(reordered) <------------------------------+
	store Y;			                                                   |
					read X; --------------------------------------+    |
	sys_membarrier():		<timer interrupt>                             |    |
	  synchronize_sched();		  update_process_times(user): //user == true  |    |
	  				    rcu_check_callbacks(usr):                 |    |
					      if (user || ..) {                       |    |
					        rcu_sched_qs()                        |    |
						...                                   |    |
						<report quesient state in softirq>    |    |
					<return to user space>                        |    |
					read Y; --------------------------------------+----+
	store X;			                                              |
					{read X}(reordered) <-------------------------+

I assume the timer interrupt handler, which interrupts a user space and
reports a quiesent state for sched flavor RCU, may not have a smp_mb()
in some code path.

I may miss something subtle, but it just not very obvious how
synchronize_sched() will guarantee a remote CPU running in userspace to
do a smp_mb() before it returns, this is at least not in RCU
requirements, right?

Regards,
Boqun

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-27 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-24 21:57 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/5] Related non-RCU updates Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:58 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/5] module: Fix pr_fmt() bug for header use of printk Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:58 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/5] init_task: Remove redundant INIT_TASK_RCU_TREE_PREEMPT() macro Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:58 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/5] EXPERIMENTAL sched: Allow migrating kthreads into online but inactive CPUs Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:58 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/5] sys_membarrier: Add expedited option Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25  4:27   ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-25 16:24     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 13:21   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-25 16:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 16:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-25 16:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 16:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-25 17:17         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 18:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-25 19:36             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 20:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-25 21:19                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 21:55                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-25 22:39                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-25 22:50                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-26  0:01                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26  7:46                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-26 15:42                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 18:01                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-26 18:30                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 20:37                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-26 21:11                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27  1:45                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 12:39                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-07-27 14:44                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 10:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 14:52                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27  8:53                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 10:09                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 10:22                               ` Will Deacon
2017-07-27 13:14                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 23:59                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26  7:41                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-26 15:41                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27  8:30                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 13:08                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 13:49                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 14:32                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 14:36                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 14:46                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 13:55                               ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2017-07-27 14:16                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 14:29                                   ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-27 14:36                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 14:41                                       ` Will Deacon
2017-07-27 14:47                                       ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-27 14:55                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 13:56                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 15:19                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-26  9:36                   ` Will Deacon
2017-07-26 15:46                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 10:14               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 12:56                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-27 13:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-27 14:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:58 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/5] EXP: sched/cputime: Fix using smp_processor_id() in preemptible Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 22:01   ` Wanpeng Li
2017-07-24 22:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-31 22:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/5] Related non-RCU updates Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-31 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 1/4] module: Fix pr_fmt() bug for header use of printk Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-31 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 2/4] init_task: Remove redundant INIT_TASK_RCU_TREE_PREEMPT() macro Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-31 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 3/4] sched: Allow migrating kthreads into online but inactive CPUs Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-31 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 4/4] membarrier: Expedited private command Paul E. McKenney

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