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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends()
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:52:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171204185215.GB7829@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15076.1512401936@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:38:56PM +0000, David Howells wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > -	Q = READ_ONCE(P); smp_read_barrier_depends(); D = READ_ONCE(*Q);
> > +	Q = READ_ONCE(P); D = READ_ONCE(*Q);
> >  
> >       the CPU will issue the following memory operations:
> >  
> >  	Q = LOAD P, D = LOAD *Q
> 
> The CPU may now issue two barriers in addition to the loads, so should we show
> this?  E.g.:
> 
> 	Q = LOAD P, BARRIER, D = LOAD *Q, BARRIER

Good point!  How about as shown in the updated patch below?

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

commit 40555946447a394889243e4393e312f65d847e1e
Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Mon Oct 9 09:15:21 2017 -0700

    doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends()
    
    This commit updates an example in memory-barriers.txt to account for
    the fact that READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends().
    
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
    [ paulmck: Added MEMORY_BARRIER instructions from DEC Alpha from
      READ_ONCE(), per David Howells's feedback. ]

diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
index 479ecec80593..13fd35b6a597 100644
--- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
+++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
@@ -227,17 +227,20 @@ There are some minimal guarantees that may be expected of a CPU:
  (*) On any given CPU, dependent memory accesses will be issued in order, with
      respect to itself.  This means that for:
 
-	Q = READ_ONCE(P); smp_read_barrier_depends(); D = READ_ONCE(*Q);
+	Q = READ_ONCE(P); D = READ_ONCE(*Q);
 
      the CPU will issue the following memory operations:
 
 	Q = LOAD P, D = LOAD *Q
 
-     and always in that order.  On most systems, smp_read_barrier_depends()
-     does nothing, but it is required for DEC Alpha.  The READ_ONCE()
-     is required to prevent compiler mischief.  Please note that you
-     should normally use something like rcu_dereference() instead of
-     open-coding smp_read_barrier_depends().
+     and always in that order.  However, on DEC Alpha, READ_ONCE() also
+     emits a memory-barrier instruction, so that a DEC Alpha CPU will
+     instead issue the following memory operations:
+
+	Q = LOAD P, MEMORY_BARRIER, D = LOAD *Q, MEMORY_BARRIER
+
+     Whether on DEC Alpha or not, the READ_ONCE() also prevents compiler
+     mischief.
 
  (*) Overlapping loads and stores within a particular CPU will appear to be
      ordered within that CPU.  This means that for:

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-04 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-01 19:50 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] De-emphasize {smp_,}read_barrier_depends Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/21] mn10300: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/21] drivers/net/ethernet/qlogic/qed: Fix __qed_spq_block() ordering Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/21] fs/dcache: Use release-acquire for name/length update Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/21] percpu: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/21] rcu: Adjust read-side accessor comments for READ_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/21] rtnetlink: Update now-misleading smp_read_barrier_depends() comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/21] seqlock: Remove now-redundant smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/21] uprobes: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/21] locking: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from queued_spin_lock_slowpath() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/21] tracepoint: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/21] lib/assoc_array: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/21] mm/ksm: Remove now-redundant smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/21] netfilter: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/21] keyring: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04  0:59   ` James Morris
2017-12-04 18:54     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/21] drivers/infiniband: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-02  0:11   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-12-02  1:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 15:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-12-05 20:06         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/21] doc: De-emphasize smp_read_barrier_depends Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/21] genetlink: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/21] netlink: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/21] checkpatch: Add warnings for {smp_,}read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 20:14   ` Joe Perches
2017-12-01 21:44     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-02  4:45       ` Joe Perches
2017-12-04 19:06         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 19:12           ` Joe Perches
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] drivers/vhost: Remove now-redundant read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 18:31   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 18:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 18:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 19:24           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:33             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 19:51               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 20:28                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 21:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 21:42                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 20:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 21:24                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 21:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 21:43                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 22:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 22:09                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 21:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 22:09                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 23:39                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 19:55             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-04 15:38 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends() David Howells
2017-12-04 18:52   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-12-04 21:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-04 22:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 22:39     ` David Howells
2017-12-04 22:57       ` Peter Zijlstra

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