From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
oleg@redhat.com, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] drivers/vhost: Remove now-redundant read_barrier_depends()
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:39:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171205233955.GW7829@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171206000541-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 12:09:36AM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 10:57:00PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:24:49PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > READ_ONCE is really all over the place (some code literally replaced all
> > > memory accesses with READ/WRITE ONCE).
> >
> > Yeah, so?
>
> Oh my point was I can't just look for READ_ONCE and go
> *that's the pair*. there are too many of these.
> At Paul's suggestion I will document the pairing *this read once has a
> barrier that is paired with that barrier*.
>
> > Complain to the compiler people for forcing us into that.
>
> In some cases when you end up with all accesses
> going through read/write once volatile just might better.
That is in fact what the jiffies counter does. But you lose READ_ONCE()'s
automatic handling of DEC Alpha when you take that approach.
> > > Would an API like WRITE_POINTER()/smp_store_pointer make sense,
> > > and READ_POINTER for symmetry?
> >
> > No, the whole point of the exercise was to get away from the fact that
> > dependent loads are special.
>
> It's a pity that dependent stores are still special.
We can make READ_ONCE() not be special at zero cost on non-Alpha
systems, but both smp_wmb() and smp_store_release() are decidedly
not free of added overhead.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-05 23:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-01 19:50 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] De-emphasize {smp_,}read_barrier_depends Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/21] mn10300: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/21] drivers/net/ethernet/qlogic/qed: Fix __qed_spq_block() ordering Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:50 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/21] fs/dcache: Use release-acquire for name/length update Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/21] percpu: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/21] rcu: Adjust read-side accessor comments for READ_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/21] rtnetlink: Update now-misleading smp_read_barrier_depends() comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/21] seqlock: Remove now-redundant smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/21] uprobes: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/21] locking: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from queued_spin_lock_slowpath() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/21] tracepoint: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/21] lib/assoc_array: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/21] mm/ksm: Remove now-redundant smp_read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/21] netfilter: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/21] keyring: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 0:59 ` James Morris
2017-12-04 18:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/21] drivers/infiniband: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-02 0:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-12-02 1:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 15:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-12-05 20:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/21] doc: De-emphasize smp_read_barrier_depends Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/21] genetlink: Remove smp_read_barrier_depends() from comment Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/21] netlink: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/21] checkpatch: Add warnings for {smp_,}read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-01 20:14 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-01 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-02 4:45 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-04 19:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 19:12 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-01 19:51 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] drivers/vhost: Remove now-redundant read_barrier_depends() Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 18:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 18:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 18:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 19:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 19:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 19:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 20:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 21:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 21:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 20:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 21:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 21:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 21:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 22:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-05 22:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 21:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-05 22:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 23:39 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-12-05 19:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-04 15:38 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] doc: READ_ONCE() now implies smp_barrier_depends() David Howells
2017-12-04 18:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 21:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-04 22:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-04 22:39 ` David Howells
2017-12-04 22:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
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