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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rafael Wysocki <rjw@rjwysocki.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCHv6 00/12] printk: introduce printing kernel thread
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:52:05 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171215065205.GB468@jagdpanzerIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171215050607.GC11199@jagdpanzerIV>

On (12/15/17 14:06), Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
[..]
> > Where do we do the above? And has this been proven to be an issue?
> 
> um... hundreds of cases.
> 
> deep-stack spin_lock_irqsave() lockup reports from multiple CPUs (3 cpus)
> happening at the same moment + NMI backtraces from all the CPUs (more
> than 3 cpus) that follows the lockups, over not-so-fast serial console.
> exactly the bug report I received two days ago. so which one of the CPUs
> here is a good candidate to successfully emit all of the pending logbuf
> entries? none. all of them either have local IRQs disabled, or dump_stack()
> from either backtrace IPI or backtrace NMI (depending on the configuration).


and, Steven, one more thing. wondering what's your opinion.


suppose we have consoe_owner hand off enabled, 1 non-atomic CPU doing
printk-s and several atomic CPUs doing printk-s. Is proposed hand off
scheme really useful in this case? CPUs will now

a) print their lines (a potentially slow call_console_drivers())

and

b) spin in vprintk_emit on console_owner with local IRQs disabled
   waiting for either non-atomic printk CPU or another atomic CPU
   to finish printing its line (call_console_drivers()) and to hand
   off printing. so current CPU, after busy-waiting for foreign CPU's
   call_console_drivers(), will go and do his own call_console_drivers().
   which, time-wise, simply doubles (roughly) the amount of time that
   CPU spends in printk()->console_unlock(). agreed?

   if we previously could have a case when non-atomic printk CPU would
   grab the console_sem and print all atomic printk CPUs messages first,
   and then its own messages, thus atomic printk CPUs would have just
   log_store(), now we will have CPUs to call_console_driver() and to
   spin on console_sem owner waiting for call_console_driver() on a foreign
   CPU  [not all of them: it's one CPU doing the print out and one CPU
   spinning console_owner. but overall I think all CPUs will experience
   that spin on console_sem waiting for call_console_driver() and then do
   its own call_console_driver()].


even two CPUs case is not so simple anymore. see below.

- first, assume one CPU is atomic and one is non-atomic.
- second, assume that both CPUs are atomic CPUs, and go thought it again.


CPU0                            CPU1

printk()                        printk()
 log_store()
                                 log_store()
 console_unlock()
  set console_owner
                                 sees console_owner
                                 sets console_waiter
                                 spin
  call_console_drivers()
  sees console_waiter
   break

printk()
 log_store()
                                 console_unlock()
                                  set console_owner
 sees console_owner
 sets console_waiter
 spin
                                 call_console_drivers()
                                 sees console_waiter
                                  break

                                printk()
                                 log_store()
 console_unlock()
  set console_owner
                                 sees console_owner
                                 sets console_waiter
                                 spin
  call_console_drivers()
  sees console_waiter
  break

printk()
 log_store()
                                 console_unlock()
                                  set console_owner
 sees console_owner
 sets console_waiter
 spin

....


that "wait for call_console_drivers() on another CPU and then do
its own call_console_drivers()" pattern does look dangerous. the
benefit of hand-off is really fragile sometimes, isn't it?

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-15  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-04 13:48 [RFC][PATCHv6 00/12] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 01/12] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 02/12] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 03/12] printk: consider watchdogs thresholds for offloading Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 04/12] printk: add sync printk_emergency API Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 05/12] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 06/12] PM: switch between printk emergency modes Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 07/12] printk: register syscore notifier Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 08/12] printk: force printk_kthread to offload printing Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 09/12] printk: do not cond_resched() when we can offload Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 10/12] printk: move offloading logic to per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 11/12] printk: add offloading watchdog API Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:48 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 12/12] printk: improve printk offloading mechanism Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] printk: offloading testing module/trace events Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:53   ` [PATCH 1/4] printk/lib: add offloading trace events and test_printk module Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:53   ` [PATCH 2/4] printk/lib: simulate slow consoles Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:53   ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: add offloading takeover traces Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-04 13:53   ` [PATCH 4/4] printk: add task name and CPU to console messages Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-14 14:27 ` [RFC][PATCHv6 00/12] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Petr Mladek
2017-12-14 14:39   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-15 15:55     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-14 15:25   ` Tejun Heo
2017-12-14 17:55     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-14 18:11       ` Tejun Heo
2017-12-14 18:21         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-22  0:09           ` Tejun Heo
2017-12-22  4:19             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-28  6:48               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-28 10:07                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-29 13:59                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-31  1:44                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-01-09 20:06               ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-09 22:08                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-09 22:17                   ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-11 11:14                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-09 22:08                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-01-09 22:17                   ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-09 22:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-01-09 22:53                       ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-10  7:18                         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-01-10 14:04                           ` Tejun Heo
2017-12-15  2:10         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-15  3:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-15  5:06             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-15  6:52               ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2017-12-15 15:39                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-15  8:31               ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-15  8:42                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-15  9:08                   ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-15 15:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-18  9:36                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-18 10:36                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-18 12:35                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-18 13:51                         ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-18 13:31                       ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-18 13:39                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-18 14:13                           ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-18 17:46                             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-19  1:03                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19  1:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-19  1:24                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19  2:03                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-19  2:46                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19  3:38                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-19  4:58                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19 14:40                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-20  7:46                                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19 14:31                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-20  7:10                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-20 12:06                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-21  6:52                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19  4:36                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-18 14:10                         ` Petr Mladek
2017-12-19  1:09                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-15 15:42                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-15 15:19               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-12-19  0:52                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-12-19  1:03                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-01-05  2:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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