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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jim Mattson" <jmattson@google.com>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC,05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:25:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180129222512.GT26209@tassilo.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180129215025.GX25150@localhost.localdomain>


I agree with your point that the common hypervisor practice to fake
old model numbers will break some of the workarounds. Hypervisors
may need to revisit their practice.

> > In general, making these kinds of decisions based on F/M/S is probably
> > unwise when running in a VM.
> 
> Certainly.  That's why I suggest not trusting f/m/s unless the
> hypervisor is explicitly saying it's accurate.

This would be only useful if there's an useful result of this
non trust.

But there isn't. Except for panic there's nothing you could do.
And I don't think panic would be reasonable.

The "Skylake bit " or "not skylake bit" doesn't make any sense
to me. If a hypervisor wants to enable Skylake workarounds
they need to provide the Skylake model number. If they don't
think they need them because the VM can never be migrated
to Skylake, then they don't need to set that model
number. 

So there isn't any need for inventing any new bits, it's
all already possible.

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-29 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-20 19:22 [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 01/10] x86/speculation: Add basic support for IBPB KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 02/10] x86/kvm: Add IBPB support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 20:18   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:56   ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-22 19:31     ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 03/10] x86/speculation: Use Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier in context switch KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 04/10] x86/mm: Only flush indirect branches when switching into non dumpable process KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 21:06   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:29     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-21 11:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-21 12:04     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 14:07       ` H.J. Lu
2018-01-22 10:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 10:23         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 16:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21 16:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-21 22:20       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-29  6:35     ` Jon Masters
2018-01-29 14:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 14:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-21 14:56     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22  9:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 12:06         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22 13:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-22 13:37             ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-21 15:25     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 20:58     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 22:43       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2018-01-24  8:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24  9:02         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  9:10           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24 15:09             ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-24 15:18               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  9:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 10:49           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2018-01-24 12:30             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:14         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 12:58             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:14   ` [RFC,05/10] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:17     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:42       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:44         ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-29 21:02           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 21:37             ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 21:50               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:12                 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  1:22                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:25                 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2018-01-30  1:37                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 21:37             ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 21:44             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:10               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-30  1:12                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  0:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30  1:03               ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  3:13                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-31 15:03                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-31 15:07                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30  1:32               ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30  3:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30 12:04                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 13:54                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30  8:22               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:35               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:56               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30 12:11               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:46                 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 14:52                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:56                     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 15:33                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 20:46               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-31 10:05                 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 10:15                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-31 11:04                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 11:52                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 12:30                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 13:18                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 14:04                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 14:44                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 16:28                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 11:07                     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 15:00                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-31 10:03   ` [RFC 05/10] " Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 06/10] x86/speculation: Add inlines to control Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 07/10] x86: Simplify spectre_v2 command line parsing KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 08/10] x86/idle: Control Indirect Branch Speculation in idle KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 19:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-23 16:12     ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 16:20       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 22:37         ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 22:49           ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:14             ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 23:22               ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-24  0:47               ` Tim Chen
2018-01-24  1:00                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-24  1:22                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  1:59                   ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-24  3:25                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-21 19:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 20:28     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 21:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 22:00         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 22:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22 16:27             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23  7:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  7:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  9:27                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  9:37                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 15:01                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-23  9:30                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:15                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:27                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:44                         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:57                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:35                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-04 18:43                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-02-04 20:22                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-06  9:14                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 16:19                     ` Mason
2018-01-25 17:16                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-29 11:59                         ` Mason
2018-01-24  0:05                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 20:16       ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 10/10] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 13:50   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-21 14:40     ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 17:22     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-21 14:02 ` [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-22 21:27   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 22:29 [RFC,05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure David Dunn
2018-01-29 22:41 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 22:49   ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  1:10     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:20       ` David Dunn
2018-01-30  1:30         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 23:51 ` Fred Jacobs
2018-01-30  1:08 ` Eduardo Habkost

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